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Ghostwriting: Lyrical Steroids

Article by: Jason Fleurant

hip hop ghostwritingI remember a time when sounding like, or even appearing the slightest bit like anyone else was cause for a beat down in Hip Hop. To quote Steven A. Smith “Quite Frankly!" I want those days back. It’s bad enough nowadays that everyone wants to go into the booth and instead of taking time to concentrate on what they’re about to say, they want to freestyle on records. No, that was not a diss towards the Jay-Z/Biggie style of Writing lyrics in their heads. Unlike those chumps who imitate they actually took their time and wrote the words in their minds. Yet this is a topic for another day.

Lets address the plague that’s running wild like a headless chicken in Hip-Hop. The steroids of rap, ghostwriting. Lately we’ve seen the impact on sports in general with the whole steroids epidemic. Mostly standing out in baseball with Barry Bond’s chasing and then surpassing Babe Ruth home run record. Now the allegations against Lance Armstrong as well as fellow cyclist Floyd Landis (who tested positive for substance abuse).

It’s been known for years that Puff or Diddy, whatever the hell he calls himself today is a notorious user of Ghostwriters. As Dj Drama said in a blog “Everyone ghostwrites for Puff”. But is it really fair? Well not even fair, the question should be is it right? The art of rapping isn’t like pop or R&B songs, where someone else writes the song for some singer because singers expressed themselves through actual singing. Rapping is about you expressing yourself through your own words not someone else’s.

Maybe the Hip Hop God’s need to come down with the Ten Commandments. Rule number one could be something like “If Thou Hast Not Written It, Thou Shalt Not Spit It” (hmm I think I‘m going to put that on a shirt). This has gotten ridiculous to think that someone would strut around claiming they’re ill but doesn’t even write their own rhymes. Bad enough people pretend to be something their not in order to be famous, but this is another level of disgrace. The “Steroids Of Rap” scandal has a new face: Lil Wayne vs. Gillie.

Gillie the ex-Cash Money artist from Philly has been out and about trash talking Lil Wayne’s seemingly overnight lyrical growth. Stating that in fact he ghostwrote for Weezy F. Baby’s (please say the baby) ‘The Carter’. Which by the way is held as a critically acclaim album, some even consider a classic. I mean Gillie has been going full-force with this appearing on radio, magazines, and even an embarrassing moment that felt straight out of the Black Exploitation movies on MTV Sucker Free. Where he, companied by the Clipse let it be known to all the teenyboppers that Wayne was a fraud. Lets just say that it was silent enough to hear a fly land on a moving locomotive in the MTV studio.

The idea that the man that is most considered the prominent lyrical rapper from the south may have been so only because an east coast artist gave him his swag is a major blow to the south in general. Especially since The Carter II while still a great album fell short of what the first installment brought us and Gillie has gone out his way to claim he wasn’t there to right for that one. Could it of been a possible case of Barry Bonds being jealous of the love Mark McGuire and Sammy where getting that he decided to get a performance boost. In Wayne’s case being the only souljah left on Cash Money, while Juvenile and B.G. where getting love, could it be that in-order to stand out he possibly enlisted the help of Gillie to give his lyrical skills a boost? Or maybe a case of someone exploiting him to get some shine of their own.

Worst yet is the fact that a rapper like Young Joc had his number one song “Going Down” ghost written by his producer Netty. Netty exposed this and bashed Joc for his lack of skill in an issue of XXL Magazine. This has got to be where the buck stops. You mean to tell me you’re so untalented in writing rhymes that the producer has to write one of the wackest joints ever heard. “Verse number two, do the damn thing” Are you kidding me!? Who the hell starts a verse by saying verse number two, how can these guys get deals? Next you’ll hear D4L come out saying they didn’t write that “Laffy Taffy” mess.

Rumors have circulated for years that some of your favorite artist used ghostwriters. Puff of course, but even one so bold to say Nas wrote for Rakim. Yea crazy isn’t it. Almost down right blasphemous to even imagine. What are we to feel when you find out an artist uses a ghostwriters. I said it before that this isn’t R&B where you sing what someone wrote for you. This is Hip Hop, this is rap baby where you EXPRESS YOUR SELF! I can’t lie, I loose a lot of respect for those who use ghost writers (example: Eazy-E, Dr. Dre) but loose even more respect for those who write for them (Ice Cube, Jay-Z).

I remember watching QDIII’s DVD on ‘The MC’, it’s a documentary brought to you by the man who made the infamous Beef series. Back on subject, Krs-One had said something that always stayed in my heart about the whole idea of ghostwriters. I’m going to pretty much paraphrase but it went along the lines of “when you sell something you write, you sell a piece of your soul. So in fact your selling yourself because the words on the paper came from no where else but from in you.” Think about that, let it marinade for a minute.

I understand that we all can’t get inside the industry and get the shine some of the other maybe lesser deserving cats have. I understand and feel people when you say its good 'easy money'. Please don’t get me wrong and think I’ve never worn those shoes and considered going the ghostwriting route. I have, but I just can’t do it bro. I just can’t really respect anyone who will basically sell themselves to someone else just for some quick bucks. There is this thing I have that I like to hold on to called Integrity. It would actually sicken me to see or hear someone else quote my rhymes, fronting all over the T.V. like they were the genius that wrote it (not saying that I’m some genius, just using it for dramatic effect).

What someone came out like Jaz-O exposing that he actually ghostwrote for Jay-Z or some dude wrote for Nas? Same thing for Pac, Biggie, Pun. What if someone out of the blue could prove they actually ghostwrote for them? All this time we’d been giving props and arguing over lies. The fact of the matter is the fool that is in the limelight getting rich and famous by faking is a liar. Just like lip-synching is a huge no-no in the world or R&B and Pop, ghostwriting is a huge no-no to us that love Hip Hop.

What it may really come down to is the fact that creativity and originality in Hip Hop has come to a stand still. In large part thanks to the big wigs at these record labels who want to just clone artist success. Forcing the idea of being original out of the door and following a Mini Vanilli formula in. So now it is easier to not really give a flying (you fill in the blank) about selling a original piece of yourself for some money because it’s all about making money nowadays. People will do anything to get it. “Don’t worry if I write rhymes, I write checks” I guess that pretty much can sum up the mentality of the industry today. You know whats the sad part about that rhyme? The fact that he didn’t even write it.


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Nice article and i agree a 100%. I have no respect for a dude that doesnt write his lyrics and i dont care if its poppy daddy puff,dr.dre whomever. You cannot call yourself a mc or artist if you spittin' somebdoy elses verses.
Posted by BADNEWZFELLA757
Really good read - one of the few i have read start to finish. I liked the heading, and the puff case was nice - maybe more examples could have been used: ll uses them since he has a good image, but no ability (?) thorough read. Jamd
Posted by JAMD
Thanks for the write. Hip hop is dead. It aint about lyrics no more. Its pop rap now. Its wack.
Posted by cmorel6440K
Definetly a great point. Its sad to see these guys on tv bragging about how hot they are and sh***, but in reality the guys in the backround should be getting the glory. Nowadays is kinda of obviuous, when rappers freestyle that they wrote it before. I mean ,a basic skill like freestyling, as to be written!!! its a joke!! i hope that more rappers are exposed for the good of hip hop. We cant have these snake ass n**** ruining hip pop.
Posted by sshami88
I agree 100% about ghostwriting, but seemed a little biased when you were talkin about wayne..in fact most people think the carter 2 was better, and it hasnt been on overnight change for him hes been doin it on the mixtape circuit for a while now, i have seen interviews in which other artist said wayne did not have a ghost writer..gillie has flip flopped to much for his story to be takin as anything more then bullsh*t
Posted by TheWizard
A bigger issue is the new art of everyone believing the first rumor they hear about someone without any actual evidence to back it up. Nobody on earth thought wayne sounded like gillie until gillie said it. Wayne's been gettin lyrical props since he was a teen, he just stepped into the grown up mainstream audience with the carter 1. But carter 2 was way better, mainstream and in the streets (internet). Dont believe the first thing u hear just to see some drama
Posted by Trey tha Starchild
I agree with everything said except for the part about bonds passing babe ruths homerun record. It wasnt a record! it was only second place.. No one can seem to get that straight. I know its off topic of the article.. Just had to be said. Good article!
Posted by youbannedme
The saddest part about ghostwriters to me has to be most of the time the lyrics still be wack. You would think it would be extra creative but what the hell. Even great lyricist write bs for others. Very few sound better with a ghostwriter.
Posted by asign
Great read man i agree fully thnks dude, keep it up peace afs
Posted by AFS
But the thing is dr. Dre quotes the fact that a song was written, and to the ghostwriting idea i would only do it to get props later on, from other people, to me ghostwriting is another way to get recognition.
Posted by virtuousmind
Ten commandments. Rule number one could be something like “if thou hast not written it, thou shalt not spit it”--- that was corny dawg... We get the idea; you dont have to go blasphemous on us!
Posted by alfaitha
Who the hell starts a verse by saying verse number two, how can these guys get deals? -- hahahaha co-sign! all in all still a pretty good write. Pretty interesting.
Posted by alfaitha
I still cant believe ma$e said he ghostwrote for big l
Posted by kevindagame
Im gonna put that rap commandment line in my headline...
Posted by Skillmatic33
This article was 1000% on point.
Posted by Triumph
Great points stop the damn ghostwriting let these bms be there own independent artist let them put out garbage without anyone elses help
Posted by Auk
Damn buuuullshiiiiit!! fight for us !!
Posted by etheoryall
Wow i feel the same way but i am no mc and i got2 respect ghostwriting being someones hustle. U gotta eat right? at the end of the day its what seperates the pop rappers thats 4 show and real mc's
Posted by Young Disciple NY
"this has got to be where the buck stops. You mean to tell me you’re so untalented in writing rhymes that the producer has to write one of the wackest joints ever heard. “verse number two, do the damn thing” are you kidding me!? who the hell starts a verse by saying verse number two, how can these guys get deals? next you’ll hear d4l come out saying they didn’t write that “laffy taffy” mess. " maybe im wrong but didnt methodman on biggies "the what" a classic track strat the second verse with "verse two, comin with that olde e brew meth-tical, puttin n*ggaz back in i.c.u." now i read the whole thing, had some pretty good points but it seems as if ur picking one one or 2 rappers more than u should,
Posted by DjPhiziQue
Ghostwriting is 4 pop artists ...4 those who dont love the music like we do... Thats a good exemple 2 say hiphop is dead...
Posted by thaplaya
Straight up truth...aint no other way tooo explain it...mad props
Posted by theghost
I knew summin wasn't rite when tha carter came out it was too fast to be that good...if you notice how lame 500 degrees was then you'll know what i'm talkin bout....gillie got spit and i hope he get his shot...and i knew that clispe was talkin sideways bout wayne but he deserve it
Posted by atlg
This no name ass dude talkin bout "i thought about ghostwritin but couldnt do it blah blah" who the F*ck is you to criticize someone elses hustle and dough? thats why you writin on a website and they writin platinum plaques. Stop hatin and do somethin with yourself, you a grown ass man talkin sh*t and poutin
Posted by TwoUpTwoDown
Although i can appreciate ur comment how u couldnt do this that and the third, and integrity and blah blah blah, i feel where u r coming from, but some dudes can either work a dead end job, slaving for some corperation or what have u, sell drugs and risk jail or death, or they can write and get money...u sound like a rapper that never made it to me...dont take ur dissatisfaction with how u aint make it out on the next mans hustle...
Posted by pushakey
How can you have even less respect for those who do the ghostwriting, you cant knock the hustle man n*ggas gotta eat, would you rather them do sumthin that would land them in jail or end up dead?
Posted by 770
I'm lovin' the message of this article...i even made a thread about this problem...
Posted by MaCRonI
I gotta say i respect all responses and am glad that my thoughts have sparked any form of emotion to burst outta ur souls, rather negative or positive
Posted by JaSun
I never really liked puffy any F*ck*ng way, but this dude has a point, n*ggaz is F*ck*ng the game up, even busta rhymes will tell ya, listen to the big bang on the track wit q tip called "pass the tourch" and u will understand, ghostwriteing is like prostitution, u sellin yo goods, 4 a quick buck, when u know the n*gga that says yo rhymes is getting double than wat he paid u, i'm a mc myself, and i probaly will never ghostwrite for someone, and i know i'm never gonna have a ghost writer, i can't be saying somebody else's sh*t, i gotta spit wats in my heart, and n*ggaz been sugar coating this topic for a long time, about time, and that puffy line really bothers me, " don't worry if i write rhymes i write checks", wat the F*ck is that!, i mean this n*gga is a disgrace 2 b.i.g, how the F*ck can people call some one lyrical, if it ain't them writeing the sh*t, i ain't feeling ghostwriteing at all, and i appreciate my boy jason, 4 putting that sh*t out there, keep it comeing homey, keep rap legal!
Posted by sandy
Thats a good read man, big props its well written. I wont repeat what everyone else has said, its a great article.
Posted by TheLightIsThere
Yo ghostrightin is bullsh*t, i neva new eazy had a ghostrighter until this article nd it sickens me that ive been a fan of him and nwa allt hese years. Same wit puffy i been a fan since about 97 and wen i found otu he neva rote his sit it sickened me. Im an aspiring emcee nd ima neva use a ghostrighter or ghost right, i agre wit dat krs-one line completely
Posted by Murda Stunt
Yo i ghost wrote this article for jason fleurant and nobodysmiling...... Lol... Just kidding... Yo i agree 360 with this article... And i like the way he ended w/ a punchline... “don’t worry if i write rhymes, i write checks” i guess that pretty much can sum up the mentality of the industry today. You know whats the sad part about that rhyme? the fact that he didn’t even write it." classic...
Posted by Sho Intel
Dang this article really inspired me, i just decided i wanted to become a ghost writer yesterd. I love writing lyrics but i just cant stay on beat and i always sound off. But this article really turned me around, i will never ghost write. Thx for writing this
Posted by Chinkycracka
Brah one everybody an they mama know p.diddy dont right sh*t....or dre... Come on thats no secret...but lets be honest i thought wayne stole his swag from jigga.....but any way....i seen wayne in the studio from what i seen most of what he does comes off the head and like most of the sh*t he says now it dont make sense... Dont bash the ghost writers bash the people who wouldnt go pick up the ghostwriters album before he had to start writting for other n*ggaz ta get paid...
Posted by guttaboyt
Agree 100% with this...ghost writers should not be there...not in hip hop...thats for the streets, it lives in the streets not the radio... But i do got one thing to point out, masta ace started off his second verse on ''one blood under w'' with ''verse 2''...a very very bad ass song... So yeah, yung joc is one of the wackest if not wackest ive heard, but yeah, they did kinda start the verse te same.....shoulda pointed out a diff flaw in him, cuz that would kinda make teh other song wack too, which its not
Posted by rick d
That was a for real article right there. Hip hop, mainly radio sh*t, nowadays is garbage left on the street tryin' to get back in the house. It's sad as hell that music has become a business instead of the art it was meant to be. Mc's should always write and spit their own lyrics. Give a lyricist a deal if their tight, don't use their sh*t. If mc's wrote real sh*t, their own sh*t maybe one day i'd actually buy a cd again.
Posted by outofboundz
Nas wrote will smith's "get jiggie with it" nuff said!
Posted by Sofa_King
Big ups to jason fleurant. Start your own site brotha just to make a statement.
Posted by BCCthaREALIST
Wow!!! thats good to hear someone feels the way i do. However i see 10 grand a track for ghostwriting hooks alone get at me! -da godfather
Posted by myspace.com/co2dago
Very well written. I stand in strong agreement to this one.
Posted by L Bigga
Though i agree with most of what was written in the article, i think there is also another side to it. If for example a respected rapper was working on his next album, and there were featured artists, fellow rappers in the game, or his producer or record company were asking for adjustments for say a single song, or 2, is that so wrong? if they co-wrote the sh*t? i don't think it's that bad as long as it happens rarely... Ps. I can hardl;y believe 2pac did not write his own sh*t so, what do do guys say??
Posted by the_ comeback_ kid
Biters & non writers deserve to be lenched.theres a sign @ the door no biting allowed,& if you did'nt read it i suggest you do so or you'll be stranded just like caruso.if you are talented you can come up with ya own material.i dislike rappers who dont write and or bite.when big & pac died everyone from master p-c-murder-p-diddy-jay-z ja-rule-50-cent dmx among many others.started riding or dieing-come with me-picture me rollin etc.be u homie
Posted by SURGERY#1
First of all on the be half of the ghostwriters you cant disrespect them after all who doesnt want money, and maybe they wrote something that just isnt for them (ex. Jay doing some southern bounce sh*t just doesnt work.) and i doubt they really put all they have in to there ghostwrites. But for the the users its no different from plaguerism or however you spell it or lying for that matter. Saying sh*t that someone told you to say gets no respect from me. But for the rappers in the south i cant see why they would need them being that its not what you say its how it sounds or how you say it. On that note im ghost
Posted by ForHip-Hop
Man im a ghostwriter im 14 and this is just the beginning of my career.. Im a music producer, and most ghostwriters do so to get they name out... I agree that i have respect for those who have ghostwriters but some can still rap, they have a talent that most ghostwriters dont its like sellin beats... But i have absilutlely no respect for those rappers who have ghostwriters and claim they write they own rymes... Thats when it becomes ridiculous....... Anyways im a ghostwriter, i write hip hop and r&b... So get at me on lilsnoops92@yahoo about some songz
Posted by Desiree
Real talk these n*ggas out now is pure garabge and all these ass movements like snap and pop and hyhp movements is stupid. What happpen to spit about the hood not justs crack and guns. I talk about the everyday life of a gehtto n*gga on da real. Not every og sold drugs and kill people. It ain't even that many dope dealers anyway in the hood so i know these rappers don't or haven't sold drugs. These rappers need to get a reality check and start spit about real sh*t about problems. And one more thang that n*gga jay-z is the start of all this biting off rappers. He did and got rich and famous now everyone else is trying do it expect for a few rappers.
Posted by KingofNC16
Just fuks witcha boy, eminem. Lyrical monster
Posted by whatupkids
u Bia'ch ass liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by p
Yeah, i agree with this article 100%. Hip-hop is definitely dead nowadays. Ever since a friend of mine told me that lil' wayne was garbage before "tha carter" and then blows up his lyrics overnight, i've been researching. I came to the conclusion he was ghostwriting a long time ago. It's a pity, really. The good southern rappers like ludacris, t.i. And scarface have to suffer doubts because of people who use ghostwriters, like young joc and weezy, and people who come out with idiot songs, like three 6 mafia and d4l. It's a pity what the hip-hop game has come to, the way the game is run nowadays. With the hip-hop gods like jay-z and nas just not giving a good god (...), quality hip-hop, at least in the mainstream, is suffering.
Posted by Swartzstrom
Damn...hit the nail on the head, not to say diddy is better, but at least his is out in the open, and besides noone does or ever did take him seriously as an mc? or did/do they? same for joc, thats club/party sh*t...period i think sometimes you gotta take it for what it is, like krs-one said in regards to his "beef"(term used loosely) w/ nelly, there needs to be balance in any and everything, hiphop being no different. You got rappers, chingy, nelly, d4l, etc and the other side is nas, big, pac, cass, pap, em, the mcs
Posted by pr0lifik3
Props to the writer
Posted by Blackeyez
I want to ghost write my self. Maybe i'll get a deal from it.
Posted by lk
Wicked article. Ghostwriting hasn't been the one detrimental factor within hip hop, but it definitely has contributed to the so-called 'downfall' of the genre.
Posted by Kanyeezy
Lmao @ p diddy not even writing that rhyme about him not writing rhymes what a fake n*gga put the F*ck*ng mic down u cant rap but yes i agree completely whether it is eazy or dre if u cant write yur own lyrics then dont write find something else like producing or running a label
Posted by JuliaS
Big shame for the one whose glory lay on others lyrics.i don't know if it's possible to give them respect.specialy when the producer is oblige to do some for those clowns
Posted by frankyk.p
Great article! i'm a ghost writer myself and i sometimes have issues with those who ghost write for garbage ni66az, for the simple fact that if they cant rhyme they shouldnt try to. I have standards set to where im not writing for you if i know you cant spit off the dome yourself. I mean in reality everything has to be balanced and some people cant rhyme bout certain things or cant express what they want to say on certain beats the way another can, but you have those that can. Ya album has to be balanced, you cant have an album thats just bout selling dope cuz real talk you will initially run out of rhymes bout it, and it will all sound the same. Versatility plays a huge part in hip hop and real mc's. Young rappers havent grabbed that concept just yet. Being a ghost writer is easy loot but its even better when u get da props for it kid, i dont get down with clown azz, grade a garbage characters that claim they write they own lyrics and everyone can tell when a n*gga uses a ghostwriter cuz their own lyrical standards are either off a bit to the left or way out to the right ya know but i'm feeling this article, and u get mad respect and prop from me>>>>>honey2sweet07@aol
Posted by honeybaby434
even the best may not always be a flame without a spirit. It is a ghost that isn't always seen to be believed, and isn't always being believed until it's seen. I know where to infautate the vibe that truly bleeds all worths. Hit me up immediatly if you want to understand the real. Theoneandonlybabyrico87@yahoo
Posted by babyrico ghostskillwork
...........jay-z is the biggest ghostwritter.......
Posted by evenwhenilie
Yo twouptwodown. Ur one of them fall for everything nigg@$ huh? just go around listening to everything thinking everything is hot except the music that has meaning and substance. We need to get rid of a-holes like u. Ur one of them lame ass dudes that killed hip hop. Its ok to ghostwrite? u must be out ur mind. Nobody should be considering they the best if they arent writing their own rhymes. At least diddy admits he's not a lyricist and says he just likes to entertain and i guess thats y he signed yung jocs wack a$$. Lets keep hip hop alive people. I feel like im taye diggs in brown sugar. I don't fell that feeeling about hip hop anymore. People are selling a bunch a bull cause america gets dumb and dumber. Its like most of these clowns are driving a banging a$$ car but its not even theirs. Thats what ghostwriting is.
Posted by cjallen
Ima ghostwriter for epic records, spit on some a da beats made by cool and dre, you know, hip hop is not all pop these days, ya some og artists cant spit like they used to so n*ggas like me gotta get up in there and dlay sh*t down . The young guns is rockin da set tho, thegame, weezy, jeezy, hova still got it. All i know is da game changes like madden ery year a new n*gga come scrappin its lites camera action when da mic is on i mite write a song after i lite da bong in da booth i try ta remember n*ggas dat spit truth da n*gga proof got shot like ery n*gga in juice and im bishop in da game da only survivor cuz coke sellin is only for riders and im mcgyver on da mic ridin beats like bikes and erydamn nite i feel like we looked at as little tikes dats rite ya'll P*ss* like dikes so ima blow dis piff and set off for flight cuz im high
Posted by theGhost
Leave ya nameless my aim is painless 1 shot ya drainin see ya leakin from da street sweepin ak leave ya thrivin and tweakin you shoulda never speakin da second ya spoke a hollow tip was ready ta go in ya throat croak i spit crack free styles are free base rite off da dome no need wait but i need weight crates a flake gotcha sunny town snowin same in da next state dont hate
Posted by float
Your an mc? who are you? do you have a webpage or to check your music at. If your so good that you would never ghostwrite, and you dont have a record out, whats your purpose? you wrote a good persuasive paper, grades a on getting your point across, but if you say your a lyricist and you would never ghostwrite for someone that is backwards. That is purpose of being a song writer. Its a stepping stone to get out there for some, and big bucks for others. So you have no respect for jay z? i havent even heard your sh*t and feel confident assuming he would make you look foolish. Puffy may not be a lyricist, but his voice and delivery sell records. Not to mention the fact that the man had the ear for biggie, mase, mary j blige etc. He is a star, who makes stars. Performance is just as important as lyrics for a song. Hey if you are dope, i will be looking for your name in song credits. I bet your "song" changes "tune" when you see how easy the money is, and the doors it opens. Dont be a hater. Bizzle
Posted by BIZZLE
Nigga with attitude (n.w.a) we all know better than this. We aint gotta take stariods to prove to them dam white boys. We can do it without them. So why do we? heres a quote for you: if you believe it, it can be done!!! ()))>%-------- thats a rose
Posted by Paris Smiely
I'm the only b-boy from long beach, and as a westcoast hip-hop native, i agree100% with these fake azz mc's in the game for the fame, not for the change. It took long enough to get us respect, so i take my own lyrics too heart.. It's the first time i heard about lil wayne having a ghost writer, and i admit it was dissapointing, but as a westcoast hip hop homey, i have to say whoever needs a ghost writer lacks the confidence and passion to be a man among men...bottom line ( speak your mind, let everyone else speak theirs.) rootz out
Posted by B-Boy
Hiphop is dead at the moment, welcome to pophardhoprap, and some one who can't write his on script is a Bia'ch, not an mc. Bigup westsaid
Posted by WestSaid
Rakim wrote fresh prince "summer time" and the theme song for the fresh prince tv show sound a lil 2much like slick rick
Posted by ferg
You gotta respect a ghostwriters hustle but it is partially the reason why hip hop is dead. If lil wayne really has a ghostwriter i'm gonna be really dissapointed, but for the rest of you whack ass dirty south rappers who use beef to blow up(rick ross disses t.i and akon but he is on a bunch of songs with both of them and they're both on his album) "you got beef, it ain't nothin to talk about, you betta go down south and try to walk it out"-rhymefest.
Posted by CHi-CiTY*O.G.*
Ive listened to wayne for a while and imo hes always had a pretty natural songwriting prowess.but yo seriously this whole thing makes me want to try and write for somebody,man.aint no shame,i need the damn money!
Posted by cyhsrob@yahoo.com
Cheah n*gga
Posted by dre
Yoooo....what upz???? yo man,i'm in desperate need off ghost writerz,ya na mean? i got errthang only the rhyme thang...if you wanna sell some freshy fresh dirty south dirt,holla at cha boy,double dolla at miami_cartel_boss@yahoo
Posted by double dollar
Do you think ti has someone ghost write for him. And if not what does it mean when you read the album and it has a lot of other names under songwriter.
Posted by tasha
Justice is needed in the music industry. To much talent i feel is being wasted. Especially when it comes to ghostwriting. Just because a person can't sing, does not mean they can't write the sh*t out of a song. I am a living example...
Posted by Georgediazgdp
This some bullsh*t cuz it aint what im lookin 4
Posted by Anonomys
Ok. Good article,that's true. But like some dudes said : dont blame the ghostwriterz and respect their hustle... P.diddy is f$@king wack ? for sure ! but like the jigga said : "and for the right price, i can even make yo sh!t tighter..." so, if i get paid enough to do it, let me write your sh!t for a minute... Think about it
Posted by Hustle to the fullest
While reading the article i came up with the idea: what if someone writes a song and then they are ashamed (?) of what they have written (low quality, insincere), and they don't want to rap it themselves. And then they just sell the lyrics to someone other who is really glad to rap something just because they run out of inspiration? maybe this could be one of the reasons of ghostwriting. What do you think? {sorry for possible mistakes: english is not my mother tongue.}
Posted by MikeV
This is gotta be the true-est sh*t i ever read. And damn now i have such little respect for most rappers.
Posted by SaJJad
Hey i don't write my songs and i cant rap, but i doubt anyone of you could make hits like me. Stop the hate.
Posted by Yung Joc
In life there is a time and place for everything i believe its ok for you and your click to work together to get your story heard yet if theres something you want to say just to sell records or get a deal it called false advertisment
Posted by gem in i
I would never use a ghost writer because it only means you aint a true mc and all these mc they talking about is just rapping
Posted by KNOWITALL
Ghostwritting is just like being a underground composer so if you master you skill you can be the next mozart
Posted by mus a mus
Yo dis be ya boy white im just tryin ta sell some of my sh*t. So ima hit a lil for yas an is ya like it holle at me. You look at me like a lik an it's all good but im like t-pain im so hood. Call me rick ross cause i push it to the limit talk about it but kinpin status i already been it. Fuk wit ya boy 239-333-5732
Posted by white
It's ya boy white again if anyone interested holle at me pimp. Born ta be a leader, i could neva follow. Me bein broke dats hard ta swallow. So i do what i gotta do jus ta maintain haters gettinpissed im da one ta blame. Cnt let it all leak holla 239-333-5732
Posted by white
Ya it's ya boy white i got rymes fo days im tryin ta sell so if anyone interseted holle at me dat or i keep givein ya'll little punch lines fuk wit me 239-333-5732
Posted by white
Freestyle. They call me white cus i push*t on a daily bassis .im like clorox i disenfect situations. Everyone tryin ta be the next big thing. Im tryin ta be like wayne an by me a championship rang. So byte my style an my verbs cus once i see ya ya words wont be heard. An ya'll can be mad im rhymein on ya sight but dats only cus ya'll P*ss* like to dykes. Fuk wit me. 239-333-5732
Posted by white
I got sh*t fo days but i need work i'll sell my sh*t but if anyone wants ta help me let me know pimp. 239-333-5732
Posted by white
I got frestyles fo days just like w=hen you aint round ya Bia'ch she get plaid. . Holla. 239-333-5732
Posted by white
Yo miami-cartel-boss you need ghost writerz holla pimp. 239-333-5732
Posted by white
Ghostwriting is so f*cking lame,it just shows the level of contempt that a lot of these w*nkers really have for the hip hop audience,we all should stop buying into this showbiz crap and sink these motherf*ckers! - imagine puffy walking on stage with a guitar and air guitaring to jimi hendrix s"voodoo child" while its playing from a dat,and then trying to say he wrote it and sell it to you as all his own sh*t, what would you think? -thats what they are trying to do.sink these motherf*ckers!!peace
Posted by Kramizm
1st off, everybodies mad at the wrong folk it aint the artist its the labels that are doin this stuff. Peep this, if your not what they're looking for as far as image they will tell you and won't sign you but then they will say you should write for other artist as a contract employee. So what is the emcee, singer left to do but get it the only way they can. Most of yall buggin and don't know sh.. About the industry do ya home work get to know people in the game. It aint what it use to be labels don't want to pay you cd's dont sell like they use to. The internet killed hip hop..don't get it twisted
Posted by Suave
This a coo article bt i wana prove dat hiphop aint dead and if u r reading this and u r close to the bay hit me up if u wnt lyrics or tight beats i gota it all!!!!!!!!!!!! 415-368-2002
Posted by 415-3682002
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Posted by SUEDE XL
Google 'suedepage' for real hip hop. Not hype hop
Posted by SUEDE XL
I agree jus like evrybody else reading this rap is going down hill and u cant do nuttin about it cuz this year ppl are wack and listen to wack music and u could show ppl the proof and they would still listen to it lil wayne is a fake ha cant rap his lyrics suck and he cant freestyle he sounds like a retarted kid wit a lisp for god sake i meen seriously and ppl b flaunting gangs in dea music which is maaad annoying u feel me on dat i dont needa hear wat gang a doods in especially if he really aint in it that shows the deffinition of a poser. We need real rap back and need these rappers to write thea own sh*t....be easy
Posted by anthony(fress)
Nice article. But i really dont know if its true or not because you mispelled a word. The word "lose". You spelled it "loose". For research mispelled words are big no no's it makes people feel that if you cant take the time to edit your research then you maybe didn't take the time to consider your information correct. Email me at moneypowerpolitics@yahoo
Posted by layo moridon
When it comes down to it, all arguing on this topic is in vain. All of this bullsh*t comes down to one simple fact: music is all about opinion. Also keep these in mind: subconscience jealousy is the root of hatin on people and what they do. Ghostwriting has been going on since the beginning of time so if you don't like it too bad. And finally: don't disrespect someones hustle cause they aint talking sh*t on yours. If you have one. Haha
Posted by C-money
Oh yeah, i forgot. I did enjoy the article.
Posted by C-money
This article makes an especially valid point about the "integrity" of artists. When did the dollar become more important? always... Old heads talk about howie t ghostwriting for salt-n-pepa, catapulting them to success as "the first" female hip hop supastars. It appears that ghostwriting for female artists is more "socially acceptable". It's been happening for as long as hip hop has been making rags to riches stories come true...selling souls for $$. I have to question the consumers of the stuff some call music (going down, souljah boy, etc)? i'm not judging, but i can't understand buying something that sounds like a three-year old wrote it. How in the ham sandwich does this crap sell?
Posted by intuitivepisces
I understand exactly what your saying, but it depends on how you view music, is a way of life, or is a art form. Hip hop use to be a way of life. Now thats no longer the case its now just a form of art. And just like an artist that draws, he might have the talent to draw but someone else had the idea to create the papper, color pencils, and erasers for the mistakes the artist has made. And when you put all those things together you end with a great master piece. And on a positive note you must always remember 2 minds is always greater than 1, know you talent and run with it.
Posted by THE ONE
./kaygee3000 free ghostwriter holla
Posted by Flex armstrong
What if writing is just a craft of yours....your selling your soul b'cuz your making money of a craft. Everyone doesn't want to be a rapper or in the spotlight.. Some just have a god giving gift of painting a picture with words.... By: the ghostwriter himself ghost
Posted by Ghostwriter

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