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Dr. Dre needs to visit //powerhousemusik and check out what's hot in today's industry....he's rich as F*ck and probably doesn't need care anymore about hip-hop. Why else would it be 9 years since an album release...???

Posted by The Architech

Its not dre its interscope

Posted by beast7787

Nope!!! they dropped raekwon too.

Posted by aoj

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Posted by IM BOOTLEGGIN THE SH!T OUTTA DETOX AND GIVIN THEM AWAY FOR FREE!

Almost sounds like an article i wrote about a month ago. Check it out and you tell me. .defsounds/editorials/fool s_gold_aftermath_entertainment

Posted by Reign

Lets just hope dres tardiness is based on the fact that he's scared to fail. The fact that his name has so much acclaim behind it, he doesent just put anything out with his name on it. Now does that hurt his legacy, i dont know but he has had a lot of talent under his wing & has done nothing with it. If you are the ish as the media claims than speak your clout. Dre has only help make a few careers, nwa & back then it was'nt really about the beats it was more about lyrics, which ice cube wrote those. He also helped snoop but as we all know snoop had flow for days & he wrote deep cover. Eminem is a white boy with negro flows, he's gifted, all dre had to do was co-sign him. Fitty had more buzz than a barbers shop, they were stars in there own right. So what has dre really done to help someones career other than his...nothing. He samples parliement & adds a bass riff & he's the best producer ever, thats bull ish. Dre is just blessed thats all or he could have made a deal with the devil. Who knows who cares.

Posted by SURGERY#1

Letting ortiz was a big mistake and to be honest i can give 3 sh*ts about detox coming out, there will never be another nwa, nor will they ever be able to capture that energy again. Dre doesn't even wright his own sh*t so i don't see what all the craze is for with the detox, when the album does drop, all you will hear is hot beats and dre reciting em, ortiz, 50, bishop and focus pen game. I respect dre as a producer and beat maker, but i don't have respect for rappers who use ghostwrighters.....after all hip-hop is about being lyrical, about coming from the dome in a cypher, about battling on a street corner. We need to get back to that raw sh*t and leave all this over produced pop-hop sh*t to burbs... To me ortiz and crooked i are two of the illest dudes out there right now. Can someone please give these dudes a break?

Posted by eshu

^eshu you must cant afford to live in the "burbs" if you had any sense you'd wanna live where it's quiet,peaceful,less crime,cleaner,nicer houses,big backyards,neighbors with a sense neighborly respect and pride! oh i almost forgot.. The b!tches out here always got they own money too!!!!! you cant relate to dre cause you aint on that level yet! your a dumb n!gga with a whole bunch of sneakers! get your paper& your acres (square footage) up little dude! ha ha ha i aint never goin back to the hood! i love suburb b!tches!!!!!! when yall decide to have a pool party in the projects let me know n!gga!!! lmfao

Posted by E.rect P.enis M.akin D.ollaz

He just needs to drop detox and then he could work on his artists albums his sh*t is long over due everyday that goes by im beginning to lose intrest in this whole thing

Posted by EMSsk8r

Actually ortiz left. Hell stat has been chilling more than 4 years. Dre likes to work with people as thay finish their albums. They should be aggressive and not wait on dre

Posted by Ethan

I understand all the frustration that we as listeners are feeling right now.. We have seen alot of months go by hell years.. With no dre. Sh**. But really. This isn't a surrprise if you have followed him for this long. For as gifted the doc is he isn't the best business man in the world. He got robbed by jerry heller(nwa days), he had to get suge to force eazy to forfeit rights. And when he left death row with nothing he quit. So in comes jimmy iovine. Aftermath is supposed to be docs label. But he has to run everything thru jimmy. Hell rakim had several albums submitted my dre and jimmy turned them down. If dre. Is the man of his own company then he needs to start acting like aftermath is his and not iovines...

Posted by cincity

I think dre probably doesnt give two sh*ts about droppin another album cus he dont really need to - he said in his lyrics on that dre:2001 'F*ck rap you can have it back' that line right there tells me he cannot be arsed with it all..............detox is going to carry so much criticism when it finally surfaces!!and it will be scrutinized by critics alike.....9 yrs surely tells you something and if it dont then ya need to wake up........

Posted by whoa

Mang i'm tired of waitin' on aftermath. Been waitin' on stat forever mang. I didn't even feel bustaz album he didn't even bring anything special like he usually does. Detox, heard bout thiz long time about. I bet itz a myth. Dre isn't even making an album. Can't wait to hear king mathers. I bet thats just a myth too though unfortunately. I want to know whats going on over at aftermath entertainment mang seemz like their not even doing anything anymore. Are they even a label anymore? nobody knowz last thing i heard from them was bustaz album and i didn't even buy it. Wasn't worth the weight. Thatz probably why they aint droppin' anything. The artistz that were supposed to buzz didn't buzz. I hated touch it. The first one was kewl but like 3-4 remixes? it got played out. They don't even know what they doin' over there anymore.

Posted by Arcy P.

The chronic was the sh*t, it got me into rap the first time i heard it back when i was like 13, the chronic 2001 was nasty dre's the man. Detox? i dont think this is a real album more like a state of mind. Dre dont have to care anymore he is gangsta rap in my eyes. Id love to hear more dre but if i dont i wont be surprised. Hes probably up in the house doin some freaky sh*t with some hoes. Dre's the man. R.i.p

Posted by noinsane

Dre is just like fidel castro, nobody really knows what the mu'fukah is up to. :p

Posted by Mora

Dre's shook! even if it's a masterpiece it won't outweigh the wait. Just release something before detox. Maybe, detox with a new title. I think ortiz had a previous deal in place. He's dope! i could never believe dre signed raekwon on the strength of "cuban linx". If it's true, it's a waste of time. Rae hates on jay over "kingdom come". Jay's album came and went......jay drops another album and we still aint hear nothing from rae. It's easy to hate when people don't hear your music.

Posted by TR Wright

Most of those artist dre has dropped were tax write off to him, and thats not harping on the talent of those artist. I could go list how many artist he's dropped from his label to back my statement. He's still a legend and i take nothing from him, but thats real talk

Posted by EVERS_82

That's a damn good article....joel could have sold a sh*tload of albums.videos,radio and hype are allowing mediocre people to sell so tha dre machine is more than enough!

Posted by glorious

Don't blame dre, he is only the figurehead. Jimmy iovine is the b&st*rd who made dre drop rakim because he wouldn't make a pop single or act 'gangsta'. They don't want dre to promote any artists who aint gansta because that is the image they want for black men in the media. Dre is a pawn. Iovine is the real problem.

Posted by KnowledgeGod187

There was alwayz something wrong with dre,he left snoop & all hiz people at death row cauze he was soft.built the firm & sh*tted on them,now he just gone crazy with sh*t.i still wonder why game wantz to F*ck with him after all the bullsh*t!!peace.

Posted by Kingasiatic

Dis guy's taing subliminal's at former aftermath artists in 50 cent's come and go ''bring them in kick them out' - reffering to game. You aint 50 we aint speaking dre talking to game.

Posted by BWS

Dre should drop like a 30 second sample production of detox. If people go crazy over that new style production he needs to make a whole album in that style. You know, just test the reaction from the public a lil bit. He can put a lil 30second sample on youtube or something. People going crazy over his lil 30 second sample will give him a enough confidence to make a whole album in that style.

Posted by Drefan

I hate saying it but dre is becoming like rakim. Ra used to make you wait so long for an album you didn't give a shyt anymore. I don't care about the politics, i just need some shyt to rock to. Quit f'ing around giving a shyt about paper and sales and fashion. Niggas need some good hip hop out here. I hope ya'll young n*ggas can get this hip hop back on track because us old heads have obviously failed somewhere.

Posted by MC KSL

All yall kill that noise about dr. Dre.& the detox album!!! im 33 yrs old and came up when the west coast put out classic rap material. From dr. Dre to dj quik to above the law to cube to w.c & the maad circle to king tee to classic bay area fire!!! face the facts...classic rap music just comes..stop looking for it,stop expecting it, just wait!! the late 80's&90's were a special time. We were blessed with classic material from the east,west,&down south(i.e. Geto boys,u.g.k,outkast,8ball&mjg,playa fly etc.). Its a new time. Just jam the hip hop classics that you do have&be patient. Hell,i cant even listen to this hip hop thats out now. Im straight just jammin the classic rap sh*t. Until some new millinium classic sh*t comes out.....peace!!!! (im ridin down mlk in the atl bumpin that "uncle sam's curse" by above the law!!) black superman!!! o.g's know whats up!!!

Posted by jroc

Word to jroc. You hit the nail on the head. I converted all my wax and cassettes to cd, dropped it in the ipod and keep it moving. Don't listen to the radio at all. I check out an old school show or two in the summer. Vsop n*gga!! cuss words n*gga!! p e a c e

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