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Lupe Fiasco - Everyday People
Interview by: Michael Ivey
 Some say joy and pain are essentially the same. You can’t know one without the other. Twenty four-year old Lupe Fiasco, AKA Wasalu Jaco, has had two major record deals, and a potential union with mentor Jay-Z’s ROC Army, fizzle out without even a slept on LP to show. In 2004 he latched his 1st & 15th stable to Warner Music Group’s Atlantic crib and hoped the third official go-round would be the charm.
Magazine covers and features, plus mixtape mayhem via the online distributed Farenheit 1/15 series, signaled the emergence of a unique Hip Hop hero-no crown or Teflon. Then, with Lupe’s skate culture anthem, “Kick Push,” picking up mainstream steam, his debut album was leaked through the net. With ‘Food & Liquor’s’official release date two months away, the Chi-town wordsmith/FNF vice president lashed out, hinting that this may be another squandered opportunity.
True to his dynamic music, however, he keeps a broad perspective. Maybe a less grounded emcee would let a small leak deflate his confidence, but Lupe’s life is more than music biz. He recently spoke with NBS about the security lapse that lead to the leak, earth angels and why Hip Hop could learn a thing or two from skate culture. No re-introduction needed here; just soak in the humility.
Nobodysmiling.com : So has your frustration about 'Food & Liquor' being leaked subsided or are you still discouraged by that situation?
Lupe Fiasco : Nah, it was really done that day. That night when I heard it leaked I wasn’t like mad. What happened the next day was like- why I really did it is because-I made the comment about, ‘yo Kanye didn’t produce or do anything on the record’-because kids was attributing the records, like certain records, to Kanye. And I just wanted to clear it up for my producer’s sake. Then I was just like, you know what, fuck it, I am a lil mad and just went off into the whole lil thing, but I was just tryna like… I wasn’t like mad, like angry. I was more angry at like certain people you know what I’m saying? Not really mad at the leak or that people got the album you know mad early, I was just more mad at like security issues.
 Nobodysmiling.com : Oh OK.
Lupe Fiasco : Certain people you know? But I wasn’t like mad-like mad mad; like sitting back like ‘oh my God,’ boom, blah, blah, blah. And I took a day off. I did take a day like when I said I was gonna stop and take a day off? I took a day.
Nobodysmiling.com : Just a day? Lol.
Lupe Fiasco : I stopped. I stopped rapping for like a whole two days and then went right back to the studio.
Nobodysmiling.com : Oh OK, cause I got the impression that you were like fuck everything and I’m just-
Lupe Fiasco : It was like on the artistic side it was like damn you know? Like you didn’t a chance to-I felt like my fans had been like cheated a lil bit. You know what I’m saying, like they didn’t get the right…you know for me it wasn’t delivered right you know what I’m saying? They didn’t get the right like…you know like the album was supposed to be positioned and given to you in a certain way, you know, so you can just enjoy it to the fullest; everything from matching T-shirts to certain songs.
Nobodysmiling.com : Right.
Lupe Fiasco : Stuff like that. And then when it comes to a situation where it’s like those songs might not even be on the album. Know what I’m saying? It’s like cause it got leaked and because it’s on the bootleg now-like if it get bootlegged too heavy in the next month then I can’t put that song on there. So it’s like everything I had planned for that particular song I can’t even do no more. Like stuff like that that makes me be like aghhhhh. You know, aghhhh. So much time and effort went into that. It’s like aghhh.
Nobodysmiling.com : I feel you. Now from what I’ve heard as far as your music and read in your interviews you seem like a pretty savvy, diligent dude as far as your business. And not to sound sarcastic but you didn’t see the leaks and the bootlegs coming?
Lupe Fiasco : Nah, I seen it coming a month after. I seen it coming next month. I have no problem with the album being leaked, with the album being bootlegged to a certain extent. That just means that people want it. At the end of the day it’s about exposure and you make your money in other arenas. And I don’t plan on making my fortune, Isha Allah God willing, off music. I’m looking at other avenues that propel me-that music takes me to. Music took me to Reebok. So it’s like I’m looking at that, and I’m looking at the other places it can go. You know, cause I’ve been doing it for so long. I’ve been in the game for so like-heavy. When cats is running around talkin bout you know, ‘I’m doing mixtapes to get a deal,’ it’s like I didn’t do mixtapes until after my deal. My first mixtape, like my real first mixtape, was after my deal with Arista and that was two record deals into my career. So it’s like I’m not even looking at music to be my cash cow or for that.
I look at it [as] just development or something that’ll get me out there like quick and to do other things. So I don’t even like put it like-especially the music business cause I hate the music business. But I’m definitely on my-I’mma definitely stay on my business. I run the com-I’m vice president you know. I gotta be. I gotta be business conscious and by acumen gotta always be the bottom line. Even though it’s a artistic thing-that’s when it get weird cause you a artist and you also do ya business, so I try and find a-I always gotta walk a line. My music has to effect the bottom line. I always gotta keep the bottom line of the company and the people that’s employed to the company and the people that’s depending on the success of the company-I gotta make sure that my music will get us there; make sure that that stays tune you know?
So it’s like that’s why always when I do records I always try and like drop something. I always go in it from every direction; from a marketing plan to how intense do I want the song to be because I want people in this market to be able to relate to it or you know-and not dumb it down but just like do, I wanna tell a story or just rap. Like do I wanna do fifteen “Failures” on the album or do I just wanna do certain records for this people, or this people, or this people, or that person, or this person, or that person? You know so I’m always looking at demographics and stuff like that. That’s part of the nerdy ness of it, kind of behind the scenes where I’m really sitting down and discussing marketing and discussing different things to make sure the music hits those points.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK, I feel that. Now what exactly are your other businesses? I know you have the toys and the cloths. What exactly are those companies?
Lupe Fiasco : Well all that falls under Righteous Kung Fu. It’s like a design-it’s really as open as everything that I can’t express musically or can’t do musically I do through Righteous Kung Fu; whether it’s a T-shirt, a toy, a website, a video game or whatever that I’m not gonna accomplish through recording in the studio or writing a song about and actually just wanna see it and make it tangible, I do it through Righteous Kung Fu. And under the FNF umbrella we got, ya know, the label deal with Atlantic, which is a full-on label deal, then we have a full-on publishing situation with BMG Publishing. So we have a FNF/BMG publishing which is its’ own entity with writers and administrators administering people’s publishing and consultation and stuff like that. And then we have FNF films, where we just partnered up with a film company in Chicago and that’s who actually shot “Kick/Push.” And then it’s like FNF Radio, FNF TV, FNF-just any possible thing that we can do in the entertainment field far as under the FNF umbrella from the artist to the behind the scenes.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK, OK. A lot of things man. Now have you spoken to Jay since the leak, him being the executive producer?
Lupe Fiasco : Naw, I ain’t talk to em. I ain’t talk to Jay since it came out. People pleased though. People already knew. You know the response that we got from it was crazy. Like, they’re comparing it to Illmatic. They’re comparing it to Reasonable Doubt. They comparing it to a blend of Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt.
Nobodysmiling.com : Word.
Lupe Fiasco : You know, I went from being the skater nerd/wannabe Kanye/wannabe Pharrell dude to like oh he might be the next Nas-Z. You know what I’m saying like Nas-Z. You know Jay-Z Jones or something like that.
Nobodysmiling.com : Lol.
Lupe Fiasco : For it to get that type of response and the whole thing I’m just like ya know…everybody’s proud. But he been knew, like, he executive produced it so he been knew probably what was coming.
Nobodysmiling.com : Have you spoken to Chilly?
Lupe Fiasco : Like, we discussed it and the whole thing. He’s really approaching it from a legal aspect you know cause it might be a legal situation that might come out behind the leakage you know what I’m saying? Specifically cause it kind of sounds like sabotage as opposed to market testing. It has the hint of something else behind it you know? So we’re definitely approaching it from that arena, but he’s happy you know with the feedback and everything that’s coming along with it. And a lot of the stuff that’s happening around it is not cause of the leak, it’s just the natural, organic stuff that was gon happen regardless. Cause I’ll get invited to do Hot 97 three days in a row and it has nothing to do with the leak.
They don’t even know that the album leaked. You know they just like, so…people are saying like yo you getting a lot of buzz off this, that and the third and the leak and the leak and the leak and this, that and the third, but it’s like really people outside of the Internet really don’t know that it leaked. So even with the MTV and all that stuff, all that-the leaked wasn’t planned. Like, that was not planned like what so ever, you know. But [we] definitely expected it to occur and the whole thing, so you know just damage control. Damage control.
Nobodysmiling.com : Now just to be clear it is coming out in retail on Atlantic the 27th of June?
Lupe Fiasco : June 27th God willing. And what’s even crazier it drops in the UK June 26th.
Nobodysmiling.com : Now a few people have had leaks recently. I know T.I. had a leak, flipped it into a mixtape then put some new joints on the official album. Is there any chance that you’ll make kind of a new revamped ‘Food & Liquor’ album?
Lupe Fiasco : Nah, cause what people got was almost a mixtape. It was joints that I said wasn’t gon make the album for sample clearance issues. And it was joints that wasn’t on there. You know, like, I was in the studio recording the record with Jill Scott when it happened, so I know they ain’t got that one. So it’s like it was other stuff that was in the works that was meant to be done in the last few weeks to kind of alleviate any type of leakage situation. So we was gon wait to the time that we had to turn the album in before we did the real heavy records: the Jay-Z record, the Kanye record. So we could at least if it-we knew it was gon leak but we wanted to at least have some control in it.
You only got to turn ya album in at a certain time so we was gon wait, do all the records within that week and then go. So what people got was really like six, seven records and everything else on there wouldn’t even planned on making the album. You know? So it depends. It depends on what-we still gotta see if it bootlegs, you know what I’m saying, kind of heavy. You know, I’m definitely going back in just in case to do like eight more records just to see if within this month-you know cause it’s two months. Within this month if it get kind of bootlegged heavy, you know, we might go back in and try and like maybe change it a lil bit more just so my fans, and like if it really hits the streets kind of hard, we don’t take a loss. You know what I’m saying? So…
Nobodysmiling.com : How was it working with Jill Scott?
Lupe Fiasco : Woooooo! Stunning. That’s all I’mma say: stunning. Stunning. It was beautiful. Beautiful, stunning, beautiful. Crazy.
Nobodysmiling.com : Lol. What made you reach out to her for that one?
Lupe Fiasco : Cause she’s one of the few people that I respect in the music business beyond they music. You know? And then I like admire, you know what I’m saying, and actually find inspiration you know?
Nobodysmiling.com : And why is that? Not to cut you off, but why do you admire her so much?
Lupe Fiasco : She’s like she-I don’t know if you ever met her.
Nobodysmiling.com : No I haven’t.
Lupe Fiasco : But Jill Scott has like a glow around her and it’s like-she’s just like when you’re around her you just feel warm. Like it’s something about her. I hit her and was like-she had a hoodie on in the studio-and I was telling her like you must have ya wings folded up underneath that hoodie. You’re not just a regular woman. And I love jazz. I love jazz a lot. I love jazz more than I love hip hop. And so, like to me she’s the new age like Sarah Vaughn or the new age Ella Fitzgerald. So it’s like to be-to see that in this day and age and be able to touch it and go you know hear it and to be talking about subjects that relate to me, it’s like that’s a beautiful thing.
Nobodysmiling.com : Word.
Lupe Fiasco : Like, beautiful. And like when you-her personality and the whole thing is crazy.
Nobodysmiling.com : Word. OK now do you frequent Philly?
Lupe Fiasco : Oh, nah not really. It’s when business calls for the most part, which is with anything. You know I don’t come to New York unless business calls. So not really. I been there a few times though.
 Nobodysmiling.com : OK. Now I’m actually from Philly and I feel like it’s ironic that a city with such a large Muslim population has such a high murder rate, especially among the youth. Last year the murder rate was an all time record. What’s your take on that as an outsider looking in?
Lupe Fiasco : Well people are people. At the end of the day Muslims are people. You know, like, we have a set guideline and morals and an operating system just like any other person or any other religion. You’re talking bout Muslims specifically right?
Nobodysmiling.com : Yes.
Lupe Fiasco : Yeah like any other religion, you know, it’s like you seen countless like, you know, this is a…how can I put it man? Osama Bin Laden killed thousands of people. You know, he’s Muslim you know? And those atrocities and acts and like shameful events that take place, it happens cause they’re people. Like, I don’t look at it as a failure of Islam because Islam is perfect. I look at it as us being human beings taking over and you find yourself in particular situations and everybody’s predicament is different.
In some Arabic countries, you know, Muslims don’t have to work. You know, because the country is so rich that you don’t have to work. You get benefits from the government and the whole thing, you know? And in some countries you’re dirt poor and when those Muslims come to those-those same Muslims that go to those Arabic countries where, you know, they don’t have to work, they become second class citizens and they get abused. And they go through atrocities from Muslims on Muslims. Like, so when you look at situations like that you gotta look at it like yo people are people cause you see the same thing here-the same thing in any country on this planet. Like, humans committing egregious acts against other human beings. It’s not really- I don’t look at it and think-it’s nothing really to glorify and it’s nothing really to take a shot at a particular group of people. It’s just like yo you’re people you know?
Nobodysmiling.com : I feel you. Now do you get criticized by other Muslims who may view Hip Hop as like glorifying violence and misogyny and kind of lump you in with that? Do you experience that?
Lupe Fiasco : Nah. Nah. Cause as a Muslim you just supposed to advise. You not posed to criticize. You speak your peace and you keep it moving. Like, mostly I catch Muslims who come up to me who can’t relate to their father or can’t relate to a different struggle and be like yo I’m glad-thank you, thank you Aki for doing Muhammad Walks, which is a song I did on my first mixtape, you know, to Jesus Walks and flipped it and made it a lil bit more universal and talked about Islam. And like, people-Muslims, young Muslim kids and stuff like that-was walking up like "yo thank you for doing that record yo."
Older Muslim cats: thank you. Thank you Aki for making that record. And they could go to another record where it’s not really talking bout Islam and you know-some people just expect you to talk about Islam in everything you do. Every step you make is supposed to be toward God, but unfortunately it’s not like that for a large amount of people I would assume. You know, so people gon have they flaws and the whole thing, but people don’t really point at me like yo you’re not Muslim cause you don’t talk about this or you’re not Muslim cause you do talk about this.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK. Now you said you’re a bigger fan of skate culture than Hip Hop culture because it’s more progressive. Could you get more specific about that?
Lupe Fiasco : Yeah. It…Hip Hop-a lot of people look at Hip Hop and they just look at like rap, so be clear, they look at rap as like the voice of Hip Hop. And rap now is one of the most terrible things on the planet.
Nobodysmiling.com : Indeed.
Lupe Fiasco : And it’s like there’s no movement or any-you have certain people within it. You got your Mos Defs and your Talib Kweli’s and everything else, but for the most part like you just got a lot of people just talkin bout nothing. And I’m not talkin bout rappers that’s on. I’m talkin bout rappers that’s in the hood and all they speak is just nonsense. It stems from a lot of ignorance and it comes from like-and it’s not just the music. It speaks more of the social issues and stuff like that, so I don’t wanna just put it like it’s just the music, it’s all the music, cause the music has to come from somewhere.
The words that you speak and the situations you talk about gotta stem from somewhere you know. But to voice it and to put it in that formula like it becomes the culprit. It becomes that conduit that carries on that negative message and just keep perpetuating and making it cool and perpetuating it. So that’s regressive. That’s just like coming down. That’s not like opening anything up. That’s not broadening any horizons. And for me with skate culture personally like, it’s friendly. Even in the music business you can’t even approach certain rappers.
You can’t even approach certain people you know because they nose is in the air or they feel they above you. Even producers, managers, A&Rs-the whole bunch I’m throwing up in there. Even street team kids-they just feel that they apart of this machine that makes them better than everybody else. All the experiences that I had in skating-just going in lil street wear stores or art galleries or whatever-people will take you on and absorb you as they family just like that. And you know it’s some real. It’s not because I’m Lupe Fiasco. Nah, like, yo I rock with you cause you a cool dude. You didn’t come in here tryna stunt. You didn’t come in here tryna be bigger than what you are. It’s like you just come-we didn’t even know you was a rapper. We just-you was this kid. And, like, the way it embraced me-and I been in Hip Hop forever. I been in the music business forever. And to be fresh into like skate culture and for people to accept you like that, I know that it’s like this is a healthy thing. It’s always growing. It’s just the people. It’s the people that’s different.
Nobodysmiling.com : Now do you feel like skate culture isn’t as popular among black youth because you don’t have those social ingredients?
Lupe Fiasco : When I think of skate culture it’s more than just skateboarding. It’s like art and kids who collect sneakers and kids who collect toys. I just put that on there because nobody really named it like, and there’s really no name you can put in under. It’s not Hip Hop. It’s not that, it’s something in its’ own you know? And it’s like you get kids who stereotype anything. A lot of kids in the skate culture are black. A lot of them are white. A lot of them are Puerto Rican, but you don’t really look at that.
You know you might catch it going to the skate park and it’s white kids in the suburbs who look-I’ve had kids leave the skate park when I came to skate. All white kids will leave the skate park, but that’s racism. You catch that anywhere. I’ve had grown men slam doors in my face in New York City you know like so…you catch that anywhere. You gon catch the racism, but for the most part what I’ve experienced from it is like it’s cool you know. Like, people give you the benefit of the doubt and they’ll open it up. And then you know people play they self and they-some people you just not meant to be cool with so you catch that. But for the most part the introduction period is like yo we accept you. What are you about?
Nobodysmiling.com : OK. MTV recently released their list of the top emcees of all time. Who’s in your top five of all time, not even in a particular order?
Lupe Fiasco : Nas, Mos Def, Ghostface, Jay-Z…uh, gotta put Biggie in there. Uh…aw man. It just can’t be five.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK.
 Lupe Fiasco : Matter of fact I stopped doing that list and I just picked it back up-doing my top five list. Cause I didn’t even used to do it because it would change every month. You know, I would go back and rediscover an album like yo this the greatest album ever. I would go get AZ ‘Pieces of a Man’ and be like aw man or I’d go get MF Doom and be like yo MF Doom is dadaddadaa you know or whatever, so it would change but for the most part consistently it’s like Nas and Big and the regular run of the mill-Ghostface you know. Them two out the box.
Nobodysmiling.com : Now I know you and Jay have a relationship from a couple years back. What about watching him record and just being around when he was doing the Blueprint and The Black Album rubbed off on you the most you think?
Lupe Fiasco : It’s just something about Jay that inspires me to write. He’s one of those individuals who inspire me to just write, to rap. Like he’ll be in the booth rapping, doing his verses, and I’ll just start rapping in my head the same way he does. Like, coming up with lines and just like yo I’ll say this, that. Or he’ll be playing the beat or he’d be playing one of his songs that he just finished or whatever and it’d just be like aw man that’s crazy. Aw man I need to write, I need to write. Aw I need to write. It’s like when I hit writers block so I can’t write, I just go get a Jay album and put it in and just start zoning.
Nobodysmiling.com : Word. OK. Now what do you think made you an appealing investment for Arista first as a solo act then Atlantic during the last few years when the lyrical, outside the box type of artists like you are not getting those types of looks because it’s not seen as marketable. So what made you so sought after?
Lupe Fiasco : Well it was a two prong attack. It was really based on this one song I had called “Could of Been,” which was a really big record for me even though it probably won’t make the album. It was still like a big record for me. It got me like almost all my deals. [It was] even instrumental in getting the Atlantic deal because it was such a good record that I did. It was one of the first records I recorded, period. And it just stayed along for these five, six years you know. And it was that particular song which is-so I would say the music. And then it was we had a plan. It wasn’t just like I’m rapping and you know put me on a mixtape and this is all I know how to do but rap. It was like no we have a plan. We have a real business plan of what we wanna do and we have real savvy investors.
You know, we have real people who co-signed this situation you know that go in there and administrate cause the deal ain’t just the music. If that was the case everybody in the world would have a record deal. It’s about who you come into the meeting with you know? It’s about how do you carry yourself in front of these people you know? Like, it’s crazy that I come in- I just come in and do me, which is like humble, don’t-I even walk the streets now, it’s like don’t nobody know me man. I’m still a nobody. And when people see that they drawn to that and my whole crew is like that, but we always focused on the bottom line. It’s like we know what it’s about and we gon get you there you know. And this is what we gon do and we show you that it works. So it was that and I could rhyme. You know what I’m saying? I could rhyme.
Nobodysmiling.com : Indeed.
Lupe Fiasco : I would surprise people because I would get the wackest beat on the beat CD because I know that sixteen different rappers didn’t have it. And I would get that wackest beat and give you a record so ridiculous, you know, people would be like oh snap. You know, I would make people like the wack beats. People like, for real, people like 'yo I didn’t even like that beat until you put such and such on it.'
Nobodysmiling.com : Could you think of one off the top of your head that’s like that?
Lupe Fiasco : Oh um…it didn’t make the album. Y’all probably won’t hear it until like later on if we do like a lost tapes. But it was like a um…aw man. I’m tryna think of something that was probably on the leak that people wasn’t really feeling. Maybe the beat for “Spas Out” that’s on there.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK.
Lupe Fiasco : Kids wasn’t really feeling the beat. And then it’s like no watch what I’mma talk about though. Cause I’ll always jump on a beat and go left. Even with um-I don’t wanna say that people didn’t like the beat-like with “Diamonds” right. Like people was feeling “Diamonds” but it wasn’t really like, you know like…OK, OK, OK, OK. Then when I did “Conflict Diamonds” to the same record it was like woooooooooo. ‘Oh my God, this is crazy.’ Even with the “Switch/Still Tippin” like when I did the freestyle over “Still Tippin” and I did the switch where I switched up all the flows, Atlantic wanted to shoot a video to that.
Nobodysmiling.com : Really?
Lupe Fiasco : Don’t shoot a video to that. I’m like yo this is Mike Jones record and they already got one. They like nah we need to shoot a video with that one. I had kids-the same kids who made that beat for “Still Tippin” took the accapella to “Switch” and tried to recreate the record.
Nobodysmiling.com : What?
Lupe Fiasco : You know? It’s lil instances like that. I guess I can point it out better when it’s like the songs that I did like minutes ago like on Arista and stuff like that come out.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK. Yeah enough props to Kanye, I know that’s your man and all but a lot of people said they totally forgot about Kanye because you killed it so crazy. So are there any other FNF projects in the works?
Lupe Fiasco : We got Gemini, which is a artist that we signed a couple years back, so we working on his joint. He sings and he raps phenomenally, so we got him. We got this girl named Shayla G who actually used to run with Kanye back in the day, so we rocking with her; one of the illest female emcees. We got a R&B group called Risque that we working with out of Chicago that’s sick. And them the next two things after me. And they stand alone. They like they own artists as opposed to like they need my co-signature. Like, they on they own fresh and ill so…that’s what’s next hopefully in the next couple like you know-maybe next year, end of this year.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK. And besides them who are you feeling in Hip Hop right now? Who, as far as current stuff, are you putting in your CD player?
Lupe Fiasco : DangerDoom. Teriyaki Boys from Japan.
Nobodysmiling.com : Word, yeah I’ve heard them.
Lupe Fiasco : So that’s, you know, that’s about it. …like, Lil Wayne. You know, I rock with Lil Wayne. Um it’s hit or miss, like I got Techno music in my car. But I keep DangerDoom in there. DangerDoom is - oh and my man Sway from London. This kid Sway is sick from London. He’s sick, so I rock with him kind of heavy. I actually did some songs with him so that stuff might come out on Sway's album.
Nobodysmiling.com : Lastly, someone associated with a Def Jam artist told me recently that if you’re an emcee looking for a home Def Jam isn’t really the place to be and that Atlantic is kind of the new Def Jam from back in the day with Kevin Liles and Russell when it was really poppin. Do you agree with that statement?
Lupe Fiasco : That Atlantic is the new Def Jam?
Nobodysmiling.com : Yeah.
Lupe Fiasco : It definitely has certain characteristics you know. Yeaaah. It has certain characteristics. It has the same people. You got Lyor walking around. He’s at Warner but he’s still apart of that whole system. So you got Lyor walking around. I seen Kevin Liles today. So they signing up the rappers, you know, they like-I would say that. Yeah. You know, Def Jam is something else now. It’s, it’s, it’s-we remember Def Jam- I remember Def Jam from like DMX and, you know, like Jay and, you know, even Foxy. Like I remember that Def Jam. You know, and it’s like you can never recreate it, you know, but I think they definitely trying to. I look at Atlantic more like, like um…like remember Universal had all them acts and they was just dropping acts, and acts and they had all these acts and acts?
Nobodysmiling.com : Yeah.
Lupe Fiasco : I look at it more like early Universal when Universal was really poppin. I really look at it like Def Jam.
Nobodysmiling.com : OK, that’s what’s up. Hey Lupe I appreciate your time very much dog.
Lupe Fiasco : Aw, no problem.
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