Frank Lucas, Jr - Son Of A Gun

F*ck frank lucas jr. Don't ever come at hov like that etiher way your father was a rat

"frank lucas, jr : no disrespect to hov, but he is not an american gangster. He's a corporate gangster. I respect and understand that. But when somebody can put pressure on you in different ways, you're not gangster. You got dudes that didn't go through what nicky barnes or frank lucas went through to be calling either one of them a snitch. Then you're saying you're inspired by the man's work but every time you mention him you throwing negative references toward him. Like the song 'no hook".. (sings) "frank lucas is cool but i'm no snitch"...dog, do your homework. How inspired are you when you don't know the story? who co-signed your inspiration? there's no way anybody can deny jay's legacy but right now, jay-z is opening up for frank lucas." .........n*gga please shut the F*ck up, hov called it right, your pop was a snitch...... Period! there is no homework to do n*gga. And corp. Gangsters don't come in the F*ckn game wit the money hov had..... Your pop did snitch.... And how many times do people have to tell this daddy's boy that being inspired by a film doesn't mean that you tell the story you just saw, jay said the movie inspired him to spit about his own life, and he only used frank's name the way he threw around gotti, lucky lucciani, and other crime figures...

"but when somebody can put pressure on you in different ways, you're not gangster." frank jr.
...................they definitely put pressure on his dad (frank lucas), and got him to rat, so i guess his pops aint gangster either.....

F*ck jay z

Jay-z aint no thug. Frank lucas accomplish so much more in his game as a black man not saying it was right but it was his "job" and to think he was the best and he's a black man. And the n*gga aint no snitch he only chose the better deal for himself in that situation it aint like he and the other n*ggas were friends or some sh*t.....if u guys where in his situations u would have sell out everyone

You can't call turning corrupt cops in "snitching". That's poetic justice. Dumbasses.

You all are some haters.......i feel em' do you thing jr.

The point of this situation is that at the end of the day jay-z was a drug dealer, maybe not as big time as frank or nicky but he dealt it and came out of it without having to do time or snitch. Even though lately some of the people he grew up with are talking about him it's always going to be like that when someone is worth 300 plus. Also when he says he's an american gangster, it's a metaphor for how he used his street finances and flipped it into the rap game. And for those of you who don't know he's one of the illest to grace the mic. What sets him apart is that even though he boasts and brags (which is what hip hop is) he also lets people know that he has feelings like anyone else. I'm tired of people taking shots at jay like if their favorite is even in the same category. Hip hop sucks right now because of the fake listeners who don't know about hip hop. Last but not least what the radio plays is not hip hop

I agree with elloyu23 say no more.

I don't think frank lucas was a snitch!! i think he told on the dirty cops because they stold money out his house and assulted his wife. I would be pretty pissed off. As you could see the man was going to kill the police officers that came in his house in the first place!! if you cant beat them at their own game then play along with it. And so, he did. They did dirt as cops! frank was about to pay his debt for his wrongs, seems just that the people who wronged him do pay theirs as well. Every hustler after him should thank him because he took down the dirty cops with him so the hustlers behind him didn't have to face the ones who knew the game already.

Im so sick of this " american gangster " $hit all this glorification of rats,faggots,and faggot ass rappers, movies and documentaries about these snitch'n ass dudes!!! word up f*ck frank lucas and these rappers afiliate'n themselves with this sucka $hit in any way shape or form !!! straight up & down. They should'a kept $hit real and made a movie about the junior black mafia from philly .when they team got knocked not one n*gga snitched!!! or even better they should'a made a flick about father allah ( clarence 13x ) of the nation of gods and earths or afrika bambaataa of the universal zulu nation , bam was a gangster for real!!! without bam there would'nt be none of this !!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of the others that posted said something like being a drug dealer is somehow the" black experience ". What a nitwit. Being black contrary to popular opinion even held by other blacks is not synonimous with being a criminal. One day many centuries after i`m dead there will be enough real black men and women in this country that will begin to support movie projects that will depict the true black experience and showcase their lives on a more accurate level. First and foremost i am a man that happens to be black and am not a gangster. Most black men i know work for a living, love their families enough to stay out of trouble knowing they need them here and not locked up. I think i`ve said enough for now.

F*ck this american gangster sh*t, im tired about hearing about it... Frank lucas was more of a mogul not a ganster... A gangster is like them old school 90/80's gangs in south central. Gangs - ppl in them gangsters... And hov aint really sayin hes a real gangster i dont know why jr. Takin that sh*t like that. If he was anywhere near frank lucas then he wouldnt be rapping or would be dead or in jail...

Ya defended jay z like he giving ya dumb asses money... Lmfao!.. Let the man eat off his dad, everybody else is, you would snitch to if your ass was gonna do life.. Trust ya fa**ots ya'll probably be the first bending down for that soap! lol.. Go watch the bee movie and shut da f* up!.

Hey everybody let's put this all in perspective. It's just entertainment. As for the real frank lucas his story it's all done. He did it, he paid the price so let it be done. The only people that really should matter are the ones that was effected by all of this dead or alive. May all of them find solice. In the end i think it's great that everyone gets an opportunity to speak their mind. I also think it's great that thru both sr. And jr. We get an opportunity to evaluate what is real. From the father we get the lesson of acheiving your goal at any cost and the true meaning of being focused. With the son we learn the lesson and importance of our family legacy and protecting your family. Frank sr. Is still alive and that is a feat in itself. Frank jr is making his mark by telling his family legacy thru his music and is upset with anyone who is trying to confuse the public on the definition of that legacy. I read in another article that he has his own definition of gangster and honestly i hope kids today and the masses that be learn his definition and practice it daily. I wonder if his definintion of gangster was learned not by what his father was but by what his father did. As for hov let's all not forget that he is an artist first and then an executive. My only question is it seems to me that hov is doing to frank jr. What he and damon didn't like done to them when orignial flavor was on atlantic. That was having executives that are not on the street dictate to the street what is street. I heard

F*ck frank lucas jr.! how long have you been rapping and dudes still don't know your name in the streets until your daddy's tribute movie comes out?! hov may not be an american gangster but he even hyped it up so that your coward ass dad could seem more of a business man then he was. Hov has way more money then you! no one pumps your music out their systems! you the F*ck are you? a junior?! hov is a senior and has always been in his prime. Learn from him..ok!

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Ytaeh all you fake nihhaz who dont know nuthin about reeaall hip hopn aninnt rappin i hope cuz yall aint go blow

Real talk all of ya'll r funny.................jay-z has much respect coming from my way, but he is far from the gangster life, and i bet my life that none of ya'll corn ball a$$ ni**as would have even lasted in that day and age, who da f*uck do u know now and days shooting ni**gas in they head in broad day light..........not many, if he snitched oh well, would u rather spend the rest of your life in jail or give up some dirty a** pigs who dont mean sh*t to you???????

^^^ if you cant do that time dont do that crime akee !!! frank lucas knew the job was dirty when his snitch'n ass was on that plane go'n to buy birds !!! and to add insult to injury he had way more than enough cake to start somethin legit !!! brothers and sistas are start'n legit buisness's today wit 5k !!! five thousand today aint worth sh*t compared to back then. That stoolpigeon muf*cka was just greedy!!! he just as bad as the pigs if not worse !!! talk'n bout " if he snitched oh well " that lets me know what you'll do .

Whoever thinks that frank lucas didn't turn in any associates is crazy, the feds don't work that way sorry! he had to give up some connects and this led to the downfall of the rest of them i.e. Nicky barnes etc...its the way it is!

Lets not get it twisted jay never came across to anyone that he was an "american ganster" that is an opinion of frank lucas jr. He defintely can relate to the game, yes he was big in the game of our times but found a way out, now that is ganster because he is not telling his story behind bars or from a bio movie because he's dead.... Stop hating on jay...

A big reason why i think jay is coming out with a cd based on or taken from american gangster is to stay relevant in the streets. Who would really believe jay on a new track talkin bout movin kilos or shootouts. Yeah he "may" have done it in the past but we can pop in reasonable doubt to here that. I admire jay for making it out of the hood to where he is now! but to compare him to frank lucas is crazy. Frank lucas is who jay wanted to be...what drug dealer doesnt want to be the best! i really dont see jay as being gangster, he cant his life at this point is completely different... Not to take credit from jay, in the music biz he is an american gangster with an happy endin...i wonder if jay was hit with all them years, what would he have done????he should get slapped calling frank a snitch, he told on the cops that stoled his money and that laid hands on his wife!! what would have u done?

...he is probably going to sell way pass gold ....jay should donate some of the proceeds from this lp to a community that needs help just like lucas did...i know a lot of kids would like a nice turkey for thanksgiving, or a nice x-mas..

Id rather snitch and do less time time then try to be hard and not snitch everybody knows you aint got no friends in the dope game dumbasses

^^^^^ hey !!!!!!!! yall better not sell a tre bag around this n*gga or you goin down !!!!!! stay the f*ck away from me " word up homies " or whatever your name is !!!!! man im tellin you, this snitchin sh*t is gettin outta hand !!!!! and n*ggas is like blatantly come'n out the closet wit it too ..... Damn

Jay-z iz that "rap" dude...he ain't no g though.i seen pics of him from 88' to now and he followed whatever style was popular.in tha late 80' n' early 90'z he waz rockin hawaii shirtz and sandalz,then switched up to gold teeth and gold ropez then went to tha businessman look..dude switched styles more than he "changed clothes".but on tha real frank lucas,jr. Has no right to speak on anybody in tha public.you got somethin to say,say it to jay-z or whoever you talkin bout'...i don't even know why frank jr. Iz rappin'...using his daddy'z street fame 2 try n' do somethin 4 him.he should'nt be proud,his father is known as a snitch..reguardless of what ppl think,he snitched,no turnin back from that and not sayin he should'nt have snitched but in tha streetz eyez he a snitch.

You can't deny lil frank jr. Usin daddy name 4 hiz rap career...if i waz frank lucas'z son i'd change my last name..he kept tha name,his record label iz "lucas legacy group" his group album is "american gangster commission" can't deny he usin hiz daddy name 2 try n' glorify him.but no glory in a famous snitch'z son..plus sayin tha streetz iz a "black experience" iz F*ck*n disrespectful to say bout' ur own damn race..i don't say stealin,gang bangin,n' robbin iz a "latin experience" cause we all know not every black,puerto rican,or wateva gangz bangz,dealz drugz,and etc..this kid iz a kid...jr. Need 2 grow up,especially how he talkz..he talkz wit hiz heart not hiz mind,he'z a lil boy..u think wat u say b4 u talk.

Gmillysouljah thank you for your post. I think my people have just completely gotten it twisted. Fl jr is on here talking about his street cred. When did we get to the point where if you're not a criminal, you don't deserve respect? that being said, he's got to get props for saying the fast life isn't worth it. And for all those dissing him for jay-z, y'all need to recognize that this is just a way for jay-z to "appeal" to the street. He should have stayed retired. His last album was critically panned, and because this one isn't appealing to his white fans, it will do poorly.

I'd snitch on all of ya'll. Im not doin life for a go dam nsoul n*ggaz so F*ck that, im telling

^ f*ck no snitching , if thats how you truly feel ,keep it real and stand by the statement you made and reveal yourself . Whats your real name? where do you live? post your true address & phone number homie. I need to have a talk with you. We got love for you fam . I promise no one will body you , you have my word.

Lol phyco i know you lying son but im being honest, killing just lead to more killing so F*ck that im tellin

You clown ass jay -z followers should know i thing watch your mouth frank lucas is blowing right now !!!! thats why you find his name in your mouth 75% of you N*gg*rs is blog gangsters !!! step out the closet @leave your number like men!!!!

Hov neva sed he was an american gangster, so F*ck jr on this 1

To all them baby thugz...i will neva snitch if my hand along wit my n*ggaz handz waz caught in tha cookie jar.u do tha crime u face ya time.but if somethin don't involve u and u had nuttin 2 do wit it..that'z a different damn story,say wat tha F*ck u need 2 say..i believe in payin 4 "your" crime but not payin 4 anotha manz crime...thought i'd school these teenage wanna be thugz who kno sh*t bout when 2 talk n' when not too..that'z y u fake thugz be talkin all g but when u get knocked 4 ur manz crime u'll be singin like a canary.real talk

No!!!!!!! gmillysouljah, " singing like a canary " is what you'd do!!!!!! you jive ass uncle tom

Frank lucas & his son are Bia'ches! both snitches, both are F*ckn cry babies.... And frank jr. Will never blow up on the rap scene......

Paul mooney...i'm a 19 year old hispanic stupid F*ck...and i look at dudez my age az youngsterz..they so childish an stupid..they can easily be brainwashed.luckily there are mature teenagerz like myself who kno when 2 shut there F*ck*n mouthz..why u think teenagerz get knocked for murder?they're uncontrollable..stupidity iz contagious in ur teenage yearz.and most snitchez these dayz happen 2 be young teenagerz.paul mooney sound like a snitch name.that tha best name government officialz could give u when u signed up for pc snitch!!

I agree wit gmillysouljaah, im not doing life for a single soul at all, im studying to be a lawyer, i dont need some street politics and "o.g.'s" messing that sh*t up for me. Keep criping and blooding and see where you be in 5 or 10 years. Im from the slums, being a g wont get my fam out, so im choosing a different route. You n*ggaz say thats selling out, i say thats stacking paper and handling busineess. A broke gangstaer cant tell me sh*t bout keeping it real

I find this disturbing to know that people are posting pointless comments about jay-z and frank lucas. I hope one day that people will engage in advancing in education and not becoming so caught in things that have nothing to do with you. Make a change in your own community and stop defending people who don't know you! i'm a recent criminal justice grad and when a defendent is under prosecution they're going to do whatever to save themselves.

Gangster- one who engages in dishonesty......meaning they get their money by any means necessary. A child could be called a gangster if he stole some food........it's called breaking the law........so if anymore wants to call themselves a gangster then let them, but don't debate on the characteristics because there are none.

^^^ f*ck no snitching if you truly believe your own lies... I mean statement, stand by it and post that true name , that true address , and that true phone number youngblood. If you and mr." akatude " are gonna be lawyers persuade'n your clients to tell on everybody you might as well work a side job for the witness protection program as well! if im out on bond and my co-defendant hire one of yall , im body'n the n*gga at your office and if he gotta go, well i guess you know who gotta go wit'em !!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^ gmillsoljah , you power rule and i love yall but on the real if you so grown for your age you should know the name paul mooney stands for everything but snitch'n!!! paul mooney wrote some of the most powerful political commentary ever !!!! and paul mooney also wrote material for the greatest entertainer ever !!! so go to your room , do your homework and ill let you come out once youve learned to shut the f*ck up when gown folks is talk'n !!!! youngbuck !!!!!!

Shut the f*ck up when grown folks is talk'n gmillysouljah ^^^^and fix me some beans and rice and put some goya on that sh!t for i take my belt off little dude !!!!!!

^^^ gmillysouljah aint no uncle tom ! he is an uncle tito !

F*ck a paul mooney,F*ck a psycho sanchez,and F*ck anybody who's internet talkin' tough cause i spread my opinions..sorry i don't know paul mooney i can give a F*ck.i don't know none of you and y'all don't know me jack!and you realize i don't know you that's why you're talkin' sh*t..listen go talk sh*t to your mammy and pappy you lil' wanna be thugs or you girl you're P*ss* whipped too..i'ma be doin' me and stayin' busy and not tip ridin' other peoples comments..stay off my tip please.1

I'd really like to see you take that belt off...oh i forgot you're talkin' tough cause you don't know me..that belt you got,go choke yourself wit..and why is it y'all tip ride on each others comments..listen paul mooney,you ain't gangsta on the internet and you ain't gangsta stealin' your slang from 50 cent tracks..do you read the hip hop dictionary too you F*ck*n bird..go take a pill and shut the F*ck up..get off my nuts!!!

By the way..i can tell you was raised all goody 2 shoes and sh*t..cause where i'm from we don't dogg on other people cause there race..i know you dudes are wanna be thugs..put down a weezy cd and notebook and stop jottin down all the slang and gangsta info you can get from them.that's all from me,i'm done,i'm not answerin' y'all internet assasins..i'm out and you won't hear from me again so say what you wanna say..i don't give a F*ck cause see,you insult me but look in the mirror you're soundin' ignorant for insultin' me for nuttin..F*ck*n tip ridin' haters

^^hahahahahaha he gon cry when he get in the car (1980 honda accord lowrider ,two door wit 13 idenity theft muf*ckas) im going to kill your goat houlio !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

^^^ leave the little guy alone,he aint even old enough to drink! you know as well as i know he got a switchblade in his pocket .(lmfao)

He posted three replies long as my d!ck, yall must'a really pissed duke off !

Dude knows alot about hte history of harlem hustals ....and he right if your inspired by someones life you must know the history so how jay gone sy dude a snith if so than jay-z a punk.

First of all..... 80% of all these story book gangsters are rats!!!!!!! gotti was a rat ... Lucky was a rat... All these mob bosses are ratz... Frank was a rat... Nicky was rat... Rayful was a rat... Men aint men no more 2 much lime light... The hustle is 4 gettin out the struggle... When it comes to shinning more than next man not 4 the family... When the man challenge u most cases n*ggaz fold quick... Mo scared of losing that label of having it than being label a snitch... It is what it is... Tru gangsters r the street soldiers holding down the block... Tru gangsters is them n*ggaz gettin it 24 hours a day... Tru gangsters r them old heads who realize they time has past, and stay up in the boothe coaching the up and commers schooling them telling them u remind me back in the days, preping them to get what they can and get out... Hustling aint about gettin paid...grinding hard stacking money saying F*ck gov... Its all about getting away with that sh*t... The greastiest storys aint ment 2 be told... Once its been told the next man cant have that supreme come up... So to all these big time rappers who what to tell tell about that flip u made on such and such at such and such you 4getting there still some hungry ass n*ggaz who still got to stand on such and such to make such and such to put such and such on the table... Once u leave that block....let that block be real rekonize real... U dont have 2 tell me about u to make me believe in u... Laugh about it, sh*t u made it... Cuz one things 4certai

That was funny (lmao)

Warning!!! this will perhaps put the nail in the coffin on this site because i am old with a lot of time on my hands and this is what i do!!! so if you are offended i am not sorry because i must be talking about you!!! i am no thug! i am no gangster by your simpleminded common definition. I am not studying to be a lawyer nor am i a rapper living at home with mommie like half of the haters posting sh!t on this page. I love jay-z and his music, his swagger is unmatched and furthermore i have read enough articles, blogs and newspapers to understand that he is utilizing his relationships with brian grazer and ridley scott to re solidify himself in the streets of harlem and in hip hop culture via this american gangster hype like any smart businessman in this genre would do. So is frank lucas jr. But he is entitled to it a bit more than jay. But everyone knows this!!! but what i have a problem with is this: everyone knows that it is not respectable to take the name of a family and pretend to be "inspired" by their story without going to the source to seek their approval like brian graiser, denzel washington and the rest of these good ol' respectable hollywood professionals had the common courtesy to exercise before initializing their business plan. Especially under the "gangster umbrella," come on its just not tastefully or consistent to the image. How can you release a cd called american gangster which is the story of a harlem narcotics trafficker and you have been cosigned by hollywood. Foxy said sh

Foxy said shes an in the streets chick your an industry chick what does this say about jay. I mean i love you jigga but on this one your wrong! where is the common courtesy between gangsters? but frank should have talked to you before the interviews i wonder why noone ever asked that question...oh well i hear allhiphop has a new article coming out next week about the story... Hov you are making me reevaluate your character! and why would you regurgitate the devils half truths? for capital? and then you have the nerve to call a brother a snitch on your record indirectly? unbelievable! same thing goes for you ti! you want to eat off lucas' name, be in the movie, "i wanna be like you uncle frank" but you don't have records with the fam? fine then don't use the name in your personal rap songs? eat off your own plate and stay off the streets with them dam guns! besides don't you know that we could use all the black icons we can fit on the chess board of the hip hop community? but no jay z wants to be a fu*&ing zar fedel castro a$$ ni&&a. On the boondocks lil man said "why nikkas gotta do me why cant them do them?" taking lucas' name? they are both wrong. If you are offended i am not sorry because i must have been talking about you!!! i seen the same sh*t happen to kayne... Ooops i mean the panthers in seize the time by bobby seale. Cointelpro all over again breaking up black unity! in fact it wouldn't be a surprise to this old skeptical harlem negro if the people posting hate comments were racists ut

I seen the same sh*t happen to kane... Ooops i mean the panthers in seize the time by bobby seale. Cointelpro all over again breaking up black unity! in fact it wouldn't be a surprise to this old skeptical harlem negro if the people posting hate comments were racists utilizing willie lynch tricknowledgy to have us bicker, look at yourself your getting mad! the devil has us africans living in america fighting over a bullsh*t idiosyncratic technicality like snitching, rather than having us utilize the technology to our advantage by talking progressively about the lessons to be learned from the lucas story which will be passed down as a record of events to our children as the moral truth of the times. Back to jay, i know you are a brilliant man and that you are a sound minded individual who knows what constitutes as selling out your race man. Cut that out! its bad enough oprah has turned suite on her black people by trying to ban the freedom of expression within hip hop, thereby, she desires to hinder our first amendment rights. How sick of those who claim to be our leaders. Let me know if i'm wrong on this one though like i said i don't study law like rene (mr. Cheeks for you non hip hop heads). I am a black man from harlem. In the 70's i was only 16 witnessing this gangster sh!t from a distance and it is not pretty. I could have got involved in the business but i am glad my uncle gave me a large collection of books that grabbed my attention! thanks to the zulu nation! but seeing the fiends, my pe

But seeing the fiends, my people, dudes i went to school with, holding syringes and needle popping their blood vessels till they die aint cool? for that frank lucas sr. Is a cold hearted bastard. But now i am concerned about the future of my children and others with similar intrests as myself. However, i read in the newspaper the other day that frank lucas is opening a ymca type club for the kids. His daughter francine has an organization that helps kids deal with the turmoil of having incarcerated parents now thats gangster! and although i don't always agree with what i hear in the music i support it and wont sell that out for nobody! some people get so excited over things they hear and they havn't even read enough to develop a half way intelligent opinion. They don't know about anything relative but they want to comment on the entertainment world just to show their friends that they made a comment on a hip hop website that can be found in google? get real and wake up! frank lucas did snitch on cops! big fuc$%g deal! get over it! i'm not a fu$%$g idiot either i am sure that it lead to other arrests. Still how many stories have you seen produced by a major production house like universal motion pictures which paints blacks in a humanistic light especially ones, wherein, at the end of the day, they walk away from slavery, ooops i mean jail? tukie williams was perhaps a g by your standards and look where not snitching got him, in the fu$%ing electric chair! a mind is a terrable thing to waiste fin

A mind is a terrable thing to waiste fin replace of ignorant drug dealers without a plan of action! real talk! anyone who talks that ignorant no snitching sh!t to me can eat a d!@k! imagine if tookie was still alive, he could share the magnificent works he was compiling with the world whence in jail reflecting on life. The judge is god/allah not you sucka! so keep breaking up our unity if you must, in the meantime i will be repairing it and expecting big things from the son, flj, frank lucas jr. F dot because i could only imagine what i would do if frank lucas was my father!!! and half of you haters probably never heard his music so continue doing your job as undereducated haters and with your ignorant contributions we may even see some incredible hip hop battle work between jay and frank lucas, that would be nice if they keep it on record. However, if you are offended i am not sorry because i must have been talking about you!!! all others keep the love alive by fighting hate! (this was long congratulations you have mental dexterity and a reasonable mind - you are gangster)

I agree with stacelace... You can't call turning corrupt cops in "snitching". That's poetic justice. Dumbasses. It's not like they're on our side anyway.

Half these people are on here giving props to jay z...let me ask a question...what has he done for you? when have you seen him out in the ghetto handing out food to the starving? you haven't! if you get lucky you just might here how he donated money to charity...but not to his hood. I can't say i know frank lucas either...i don't; but i can say is he's a smart man. No matter how he went about doing it...that was his hustle. We all hustle...if you don't know what it mean i'll be the one to tell it to ya. Hustle- a means to make money...so when you get up an go to work...then that's your hustle. He didn't snitch, he stood up to the same A**holes many people were scared of. Anyhow, next time (including jay-z) have the nerves to sit here and call any body a snitch look in the mirror. Oh yea if jay-z was all that an more back then, how come his name wasn't brought up in the movie. I bet a million, he would've got dealt with. So anyone can talk whatever they want...cause its the internet...but let paths cross i bet they wouldn't repeat it...i still say F*ck jay-z he hasn't done sh*t for me.

I give jay-z love in the industry but he ain't no gangsta..no rapper truely is.he can't speak on a dude who's 75 in a wheel chair with no more power,that's cowardly..jay-z now would not have frank lucas name in his mouth back then.everybody feared dude..he was mentoured by bumpy ellsworth,1 of the most feared but calm businessman like gangstaz in harlem history and history period.but that was the past and now these dayz..young 1'z like my age don't have respect nor the mentality to speak like a calm man on situationz,instead they'd rather just go all out crazy wreckless talk or az i say they got there "i'm askin 2 get murdered" mouthz..instead of defusin a situation like a man would,they'd rather air it out witout warnin'..guess people like rollin wit the timez..where do you think jay got his swag from?see everybody be like "F*ck a snitch yo,i'm straight thuggin,snitchin 4 Bia'chez" and all that bs but that'z cause you kno you ain't eva gonna live a hard enough life 2 be put in a death b4 dishonor situation...guarantee somebody you love get merked or you're put in a serious situation you'd be flappin ya gumz to detectz..jus layin the truth so enough wit this stop snitchin' sh*t it'z childish and tirin'..my lil nephew iz 13 and iz on that stop snitchin' sh*t and i alwayz kick game 2 em' tellin' him to get up off that sh*t and stick to school and not this "fake thug" sh*t..it'z a wrap

^i thought phyco & mooney told u 2 shut the f*ck up when grown folks is talkin

^^^ why you got to throw shots at people on the internet? gmillysouljah got somewhat of a point. I mean i do see a lot of these young'ns running around saying whatever not realizing the consequence. I'm 28 years old now an am grown and you yourself probably ain't even grown folk. Instead of insulting the young god for nothing,prove your point to him like a man,like a real grown folk would do.

What*z wiith all da hate !n here,y*all need 2 grow da f*ck ^!f*ckiin liil azz boyzz

I ain't said sh*t 2 dudez...they be talkin ish 2 me...so it'z wateva..i'ma avoid these dudez and respect they opinionz cause they don't kno me but truth iz they don't kno how 2 keep they trap shut on sh*t but wateva it'z all good..i'ma be tha real grown dude bout' sh*t

Wow...i jus realized paul mooney and psycho sanchez are tha same person..i can tell they type tha same...wow dude you a Bia'ch 4 real changin namez tryna prove like you kewl ova tha internet..

And dookie tip iz anotha alias of psycho sanchez and paul mooney...dude grow up usin 3 namez...cause dookie tip replied 2 this chat jus now and said listen 2 mooney and sanchez and stfu and he would've had 2 scroll all tha way up 2 see that...grow up bra

And u usin soulpower67 hahaha 4 namez...i can tell cause every name got tha same punctuation and same spacin when u put ur exclamationz pointz and everythin...damn dude get a F*ck*n life man..

^^^hahahahahahahaha check for a n*gga!!!!!

^o.k.officer gmillysouljah i will allow your investagation to proceed witcha "kewl" snitchin ass heres a clue for you officer "tri-terminal",yo gmilly you too emotional to be a lawyer! youll blow a n*gga whole case , you allowed me to ruffle ya feathers in five min.a good attorney would eat you and your client alive!!! ( gmilysouljah punches the wall and screams profanities and says in spanish "man f*ck this sh!t !!! im lockin all of yall up!! )

I wouldn't knock frank jr. For using his dad's name, considering the ammount of rappers who straight up stole their names from real gangsters that they're not even related to, i mean come on look at capone, rick ross, 50 cent, each member of the outlaws including 2pac took up an alias of a tyrant or gangster, so to the dude who tried to dis frank jr for trying to eat off his father's name needs to consider the large number of rappers in the hip hop world that follow the trend of taking another man's name. At least he's using his real name.

I agree with frank jr. - you cannot be inspired by something you don't know - plain and simple . None of us can speak bad about the lucas experience because we haven't been through what they did. Jay-z just took a running start to drop an album that he knew was gonna sell because of the movie. So the hova-ridas can be mature now - junior could have us all knocked for real :)

Psycho sanchez a.k.a. Paul mooney you been exposed son..look like you ain't spacing your exclamationz no more cause of me..damn i got you like that ova tha internet,sad bra i think you're tha snitch..listen wanna be thug go committ a terrible crime and tell me you won't snitch..you a F*ck*n liar!stop dissin on snitchez cause there are snitchez that could still murder you wit ease so that makez you a P*ss*..do some bad crimez and tell me you're not gonna snitch..i've seen tha hardest dudez on my block snitch and you're a P*ss* n*gga so that meanz you would deffinentnly snitch but you an internet white boy tryna portray a black guy and usin 4 namez to try to go against me..it ain't workin son cause "we on tha internet" and if i waz a snitch i would've snitched in mass. On my n*gga for some sh*t police caught me wit and he waz out somewhere..i think this whole snitchin bullsh*t iz played out..everybody deniez they would be a snitch but that'z only cause they don't put themselvez nor live a life of a criminal to come closed to bein a snitch..of course when you're not in the hood and in so ritzy ass neighborhoodz you can say "i'll neva snitch" cause u'll neva be hood face it

^^*dominicana$mama* put some bio-oil on them stretchmarks on your tiddies before you open your mouth next time!

By the way paul mooney a.k.a. Psycho sanchez a.k.a. Dookie tip a.k.a. Soulpower67...you've been exposed stop comin at me all at once wit all your namez so ppl look at it and see a 4 on 1 cause really it'z jus 1 person usin 4 namez dogg...you need to grow up..and like i said do a terrible crime your n*gga made you do and see if you don't snitch..i doubt u'd take 25 or life ova freedom..i doubt that..you say F*ck snitchez and you won't snitch..easier said than done bra..well easy 4 u 2 say cause u not hood anyway..u probably a good college boy tryna sound kewl sayin "stop snitchin" dude my 13 year old nephewz are up on that sh*t..get grown and this iz tha last time i speak 2 u and ur otha 3 namez on this subject..1

^^^ now u usin dominicanadaddy...dude grow up son..you ain't kewl or hood grow up..easy 2 talk sh*t ova tha internet..it'z ova finished,get on wit your life and sh*t i'm officially through wit this and if you really "grown" than you'd leave it alone from here on too..real grown people handle sh*t like adults..and if you don't than i kno you're some kid..so take your 5 names and go play your computer games all day and be a stupid nerd tryna sound kewl on tha internet and be quiet aight..finished for good startin right...now

Ah man you said that"im done with this for good" and "your never gonna hear from me again"$hit two or three times before gmilly!!! hahahahaha im f*ck'n wit you now hahahahaha and dont think we dont know you got a couple of names too!!!and what the f*ck is "kewl"? see, thats the $hit that be piss'n me off at the gas station,at the airport,the customer service departments !!! hell naw you cant defend me in court !!!! you wingtip shoe wear'n muf*cka hahahahahahaha

Some of you need to take anger management classes!! chill out!! pop a pill or something!!

Frank lucas was a good man and he did what he had to do to give his family a better life when black folk were not widely accepted. So god bless the lucas family

Ummmmm, does all this corny interent beef you are all doing have anything at all to do with the post of frank lucas jr? no. I cant wait to hear more tracks from frank lucas jr. Jay z move over, franky jr coming for ya spot!!!

When the album going to drop?

Read this chapter in the bible, as far as frank lucas he did what he did, hopefully it can be a story to teach others not to pull the same stunts, and frank jr,making rap money is better than blood money.

Gangstas aint nobody but lazy F*cks thats scared of a real job. Selling death to ya own people than say you a real brotha. Mlk rolling in his grave. And dont tell me thsi a new time cuz we been struggling F*ckboys

Word nuff said end this thread.2weeks 2long

Frank jr. Makes several valid points. I must agree that there is a huge difference between frank sr. And jay--jay is a corporate gangster. Frank sr. Got rich in the streets and not on wax. Not that i'm glorifying that...i'm quite apalled that jay has a cd mirroring the movie's title, but has never spoken with frank sr. Himself. That's bullsh*t! and for all the jay stans who get mad when you say something negative about jay...get a grip!

I agree wit mr. Ballchinface enough said.

Frank lucassssssss is the man. The real american gangster forget scarface

U cant compare jay z and frank in no kinda way frank lucas is dat n*gga hands down jay betta wait his turn

First of all this is frank lucas jr who all the right to have a oppion about his life and his fater life,he lived it , secondly have of your morons who have a oppion about frank being a snitch have been arrested or are going to arrested, by who cop's and until you have walked a mile in frank lucas shoes shut up, you idiots are sad about what it is to being black in america talking about hover and all that nonsense , you dont own any thing here hell you probley dont even pay taxes you all day wanna be rappers or sell dope shut the f@uck up

Plain and simple, frank lucas is not a snitch, he turned these crocked cops.

I think alot of people commenting are being disrespectful to frank lucas. The bible says that sometimes we as christians fall short and slip up. Frank lucas fell short and then repented. Everyone who has made a comment has sinned and the bible aslo says that no one sin is greater than another. There for what frank lucas did can be forgiven. We are sitting up here judging but thats not our place. The bible says do not judge because no one is perefect. And he snitched on corrupt cops, there is no evidence saying he snotched on any of his family and friends therfore none of your arguments are valid so keep it movin

How could you disrespect frank lucas when he was making a million a day. How much is jay z making a day.?? not a million dollars a day. If he made that, he wouldve quit rapping a long time ago instead of faking to quit 2 or 3 times. Jay z is a Bia'ch and his music sucks. I would never spend the money to listen to his sh*tty rhymes

All yall n*ggas is dumb. Some of you defend jay-z like he writes checks for yall broke *sses. That n*gga don't know you and if you stepped to 'em for $2 after all the albums you've bought from this n*gga he would probably stab your ignorant *ss or have a body guard stab you for him. And jay-z is straight as far as rapping goes but he's just a n*gga trying to be like some other n*gga don't forget that. And frank lucas was wrong for selling poison but the man did time and now he's trying to do something positive. Whether he "snitched" or whatever the f*ck you want to call it, it doesn't even f*cking matter b/c that street-cred sh*t is for the birds...idiots. I grew up in the hood and money was scarce for us being that we were a single parent family. But my mom prayed for us and took us to church and whipped our *ss when we did wrong. All three of us went to college and now i make $75,000 a year legally. It's not a fortune right now but it proves that god is real and god is good. So maybe somebody should make a movie about my family and our success to glorify jesus rather than glorifying dope dealers. Dumb-*ss, crab in a barrel *ss n*ggas, always value bullsh*t over real sh*t.....f*cking embarrasses me sometimes. And by the way i download all that sh*t anyway f*ck that buy the album sh*t. How this n*gga gon' talk about selling poison to children's mothers and fathers and call it hustling and then gon' talk sh*t 'cause i downloaded some music? ....the f*ck out of here!!!!!

I feel that frank lucas jr. Was right about everything he said jay-z aint no mutha F*ck*n gangster the n*ggas' a wanksta did u ever hear 50 cent song"say u a gangsta but u never popped nothin" name one n*gga this n*gga done killed and i can sayif he's a gangster or not that sh*t is all about talk. Yes i feel denzel washington should of played the role of being the gansta because he is a awesome actor but as far as jay-z putting his comments on anything he needs to do like lil kim says "shut up Bia'ch"

Even if frank lucas did rat out some mutha F*ck*n crooked ass cops they bum ass deserved it because he was going down so y not take those red neck bastards w/u ..... He followed the code of the streets and he may live by them and he may die by them thats just how the game goes real talk....

Man you even know what a rat is beaatchhs and dont be talkin on lucky and the real italian gangsters they started america and made contribution to the up keep of the family values which i have to say aint no jive ass frank lucas in the realms of what the original italian mafia were and are they stood for the community they stood for protection of people they had moral codes which none of yall ever had the courage to do it was the italians that started america its the the italians that will finish them if thats the way they want dont be talkin about no snitches smallfry compared to the bigger picture.

I agree with el da boss playa, lucky, gotti, were not rats. Capone...alot of these gangsters are not rats, their are their books. I mean all organizations have rats in them. Alot of you dont know nothing about the mob. You cant go by movies. You have to read books and watch documentaries. Bet's american gangster out of all those so called gangsters felix mitchell, tookie williams larry hover, jeff fort, kenneth mcgriff are real time gangster because their doing life or was doing life. Nicky and frank lucas are the only rat bastards

I agree with el da boss playa, lucky, gotti, were not rats. Capone...alot of these gangsters are not rats, their are their books. I mean all organizations have rats in them. Alot of you dont know nothing about the mob. You cant go by movies. You have to read books and watch documentaries. Bet's american gangster out of all those so called gangsters felix mitchell, tookie williams larry hover, jeff fort, kenneth mcgriff are real time gangster because their doing life or was doing life. Nicky, ricky ross, lorenzo "fat cat" nichols, and frank lucas are the only rat bastards and as far ass ratting goes. You never rat on anyone you do business with even crooked cops cuz their doing the same hustle as your doing. As for italian and irish mobs...some of them are vincent palermo, sammy gravano, joe valachi, joseph massino, (italians) john, martorano, henry hill, stephen flemmi (irish)....see dont even bring up people like lucky or gotti into this. I was watching a bets amergangster and said that kenneth supreme mcgriff when comes came he just was like whatever gave him self like a real gangster one fbi agent. I think if bumpy johnson was alive in the 70s he would have probably killed frank for ratting. They need to make a doc on bumpy johnson that dude was a real gangster! not no fukn amature ass gangsta...people were shirts and name them selfs after bumpy, capone, gotti, and luciano, no rats like frank, nicky, sammy or them other fools.

Pick up the book by john "red" shea called "rat bastards" he was part of winter hill gang a irish mob from boston and he went to prison (hes out now) because some Bia'ch ass fools ratted on him. His boss and influence was james "whitey" bulger who was the boss of the gang during that time and is the character of jack nicholson in the movie "the departed" in the movie jack dies, but in real life james bulger is on the 10 fbi's most wanted list and hes been on there for a decade now. Thats gangster!

To the writer of this article, you did a wonderful job. Asking the right questions to get everybody stirred up

I can't believe this. Is all that most of you people got from this interview is the fact that jay-z is not a snitch? more proof to the fact that our current society is in major moral crisis. I am just happy to hear that the lucas' are trying to change their legacy. What we really need to discuss is how instead of all of these ridiculous comments, we need to figure out ways to support the creation of the frank lucas scholarship fund. We need to lobby the federal government in an effort to support this scholarship by using the equity that was confiscated from frank lucas to give back to the children that were affected by this "crack" generation. Let's talk about that...

Frank lucas, nicky barnes and sammy gravano are snitches period. If you do it to the police or your worst enemy you are stil a rat. Frank matthews aka black ceaser was the man who jumped bail and ran away with millions 34 years and has been never been caught let's make a movie about him. The system wouldn't like that because they want to make snitching look ok. But it is a form of treason if you are a crook and you get busted and snitch for a soft deal. Snitches should all die! there is a snitch epedemic!!!

Frank lucas is not a snitch! criminals sore no moral or ethic code. The police on the other hand did. They have been appointed to a trusted position. If they abuse that trust by accepting bribes, etc then their position of trust should be taken away and they should be jailed. I strongely believe that one of the best things that frank lucas did in his lifetime was exposing those crooked cops, ny is a much better and safer city without them.....dont even try to contradict!

Nicky barnes on the other hand exposed his own collegues and family (his wife)! geeeez! he is ah punk ass Bia'ch! the epitome of the expression "no honour among thieves! i hope he dies a slow painfull death!

But peeps, on the real frank lucas is the past, distance past, so any attempt to resurrect his life story is strickly for financial gain, the movie directors ,frank lucas jr. Jay-z and who ever else all just after profits. He'll be history again in a couple of months.

I c i shut every body up..... I love having the final say! over and out!

I hear some realists, fake azz gangsters and frankly, hatin mutha fuc_as in this forum. The reality of the situation is: there is no need to be mad at jr. He hasn't said anything or done anything wrong. He has the right to speak his mind about what jay said in regard to his father. At this point it doesnt really matter if his pops was a snitch or not. He was a drug dealer, he got caught, went to jail, and that's a rap. I personally like the fact that he took out some crooked cops. I wish somebody would take out more. This whole stop snitchin sh*t has went too fuc_in far. Getting caught grindin and tell on all your boys to get less time, that's a fuc_in rat. But telling on crooked cops especially the variety in this story, doesnt qualify as snitchin. To go a little further, the stop snitchin has even gotten to where family members and friends are getting killed and the so called friends who know what went down wont tell. Oh yeah, that's love. That is really what they would have wanted, to die in vein. Anyhow, the whole american ganster thing should be taken as a lesson to the wanna be hustlas. Do the crime you have to do the time. I have never heard of or known any crime figures that have never been caught. It is an occupational hazzard of the job. If you choose this life you have to spend some time inside. If you cant handle it pick another occupation. From the heart, being gansta is not about shinning, frontin, or brauds. Those things sometimes come with the territory but it's about survival wh

I am sorry to say this but i think you all need to get lives and stop arguing about people who do not know you even exist. 75% of you need to go back to school and learn how to spell.

Jay-z is american so if he wants to call frank lucas sr. A snitch he can. That's his opinion. The only charge that frank lucas jr. Has is to put out some hot music that speaks to his audience. He chose the lesser of two evils, snitching on cops over doing life in prison. He alone lives with that choice. Here is some facts:if you snitch you could be killed, or dishonor you and your family, become a confidential informant which means you become a rat @ law enforcements disposal and have your legacy become tainted forever. If you don't snitch you will do hard time that you earned by being 'gangster' and life will go on while you sit but you maintain respect among your peers other gangsters. The choice is yours. Frank jr. Needs to hustle hard like his pops and come up with strategies to get his name out there and outshine the critics of him and his father. Then he would single handedly bring the lucas name to full respectability without going to war with someone with the resources to crush his budding career. Forget the stop snitching movement, start the stop hating movement.

Listen all of you ppl on here sayin frank lucas is a Bia'ch and a snitch are full of sh*t this man did what he had 2 make money love him or hate him, but compare jay-z to frank lucas is F*ck*ng crazy lucas is a true gangsta n who the F*ck are u gonna call him a snitch when hes got rid of those fake ass cops not any1 he had done buisness with but cops half of u would probably jump at a chance 2 turn in a cop. As for jay-z hov whatever the F*ck u wanna call him is a studio gangster and all of u ppl talking sh*t about frank lucas n his son would never say it 2 either one of there faces because you all are nothing but internet gangster.

G'day fellas, you guys are bloody drongos! down 'ere in australia we are are all mates. No wonder your country is so fu*%ed up! you are all at each other like snakes in a barrel! why don't you all take a reality check, appreciate the air you breath, and neck up. So what if mr lucas dealt drugs and 'snitched', or jay z gave his two bobs worth. It's out of your control, so do me a favour and ask yourselves "am i will to accept live a mediocre existence?". If so, keep wasting your time posting your rubish obtuse comments...

Man, it's funny how everyone is talkin bout how lucas was a snitch, obviously these close minded fools don't get the whole picture! it's one thing to snitch on the people in the streets with you, business partners and enemies alike, but frank had the same thought that half of us in the street have, f*ck crooked cops! think about it....

Fank lucas was the best back in the day i show him all my respect

Frank lucas cant be like the mexican mafia he could never be be like it frank was just a P*ss* i remember when i F*ck his wife true that nice dried out P*ss* she had

F*ck you davo this is the usa this anit some sh*ttey ass country like your we kill people to survive F*ck being mate you F*ck*ng P*ss* you brobably wouldnt last being here you would brobably get shot you P*ss*

All ya stupid niger dont now sh*t aboat gangs ya are all wanna be you are just F*ck*ng P*ss* ya kiss ass to other people ya are probably the snithes

To viva la raza & F*ck all you niger : we all know the reason of your comments just by reading your names Bia'ches..... So shut the f*ck up you racist C*nts.....n be happy frank didn't kill all ur ancestors Bia'ch...

Elloyu23 and others jay was no big time dealer at all...in fact his homie who financed his whole come up in the rap game had a federal case brought against him..."spanish jose" was jay's boy "dehavin"'s connect (F*ck dehavin for cavin). The line (F*ck dehavin for cavin) came from dehavin comin out on youtube tellin everyone how jay sold no drugs, n jay didnt see him when he was in jail n he called him out a lil bit. Point is no one knows what jay really did but chances are since he's not dead or in jail and he's the richest rapper ever mother F*cker is not no frank lucas. Period. Frank lucas is one of the hardest mother F*ckers of all time and whatever he did after the fact that he would kill anyone who said what most of u are sayin now, personally, means dude was hard as F*ck

The fact is-- lucas did take the stand. Lew rice, a retired dea agent who worked in new york city during the 1970s, debriefed lucas during his investigation of leroy butler," another big-time harlem heroin drug dealer who was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in prison." rice did confirm that superfly took the stand as a government informant. "it is really an open book," he explained. "he did it in only one case that i know of and that involved leroy butler, another big-time drug dealer."

Here is your proof frank lucas jr. You said noone gave you papers with your pops name on it here it is. And any one want to read it for them themselves i have the link and part of the article on my site modelaide.

Even if your internet source is correct and he took the stand ... When did u move 100 kilos of heroin from china to the us? can u say u did what the man did? my moneys on no. Frank lucas is a g and white people (or someone worth half a billion in legally generated us tender) sayin he snitched on here, or in rap songs doesnt matter. U aint done what frank did.

Man, F*ck allah, F*ck the nation of islam and muhammad too!!! i'm tired of these n*ggas runnin round talking about allah. These cats got to realize the koran ain't sh*t! frank lucad was the american g a n s t a

Yo honestly snitching is a code. And its a criminal code for criminals. Like if a lil ni99a runnin around saying i aint snitching its like dog what u mean u got nuttin to be snitchin bout. Nd bout lucas. If u aitn bringin down ur organization then yu aint snitchin. If u rat out 200 cops and they tryin to knock u for some sh*t tht aint snitchin. Doods now a day dont kno what snitchin is real language -1

U n*ggas sayin he's a snitch prob aint neva been through sh*t. Like frank jr. Said. Your partners and people of that sort are one thing, but crooked cops is another. Ya'll would prob snitch on your own mother after the cops got through with ya'll soft hearted ass n*ggas that talk sh*t but aint neva seen sh*t. You motherF*ckas watch too many videos and listen to too much rap. Caught up in the image of not snitchin instead of weighing your options and seeing what's the best choice. Which was F*ck*ng over all the cops makin it harder for all the hustlers out there u dumb P*ss* made F*ckers. Thank you

I agree with da homie lilgip88....thats so real! these cats r nuthin but bible study gangsters.......sat in front of their tv all day and study the life of all these fake rappers...and strive to be em.....dont judge that real american gangster "frank lucas"...and if u dont understand jay lyrics....dont comment sucka

Y'all got sumthin to say, but none of ya had to be in the situation. Sr's sh*t was dead, it was comin down at that point, and the dirty rat ass cops deserved to be taken down even more than the dealers! thats all i know, becuz that the facts. I wasn't there either!!!! jay-z is in entertainment, he's not a street thug... Youz all get fooled so easy by what people claim. Lucas jr respects his father. Don't hate him for that

First off i would like to say that frank lucas is the sh*t. I think frank lucas was a true american gangster and he knows what it is like to run the streets. He was in before all yall was even born. Everyone should repsect him for that. He ran harlem. He ran the streets. End of story.

Yo yo listen up, the tru american g a n g s t a is none other than daddy mac benjamin franklin. Now thats a true n*gga. That n*gga's a tru founding father and diplomat. While we was herz fightin for ours independence, that motha F*cka waz in france tryin to persuade them to become our allies and help ours cause. Not to mention he was pimpin all the hoes there.

Who cares! it's sad you-all have time to delve into the merits of this case. Use the internet to learn more about ... Anything that might increase your intelligence. Trust me, this story will not increase your brain power. The comments alone prove that.

Then what are you doin here sad indeed? i got a bach degree online and workin on my grad... So what... I use my intel

Lucas "ran harlem"? hes a "gangster". You shoudl respect that?? really? he was a drug lord who smuggled drugs shamelessly into the us using coffins! coffins with the bodys of people who died so that this world could be a better place. Not so that the world would live to glorify what criminals like frank lucas did and stood for. Sure from what i gather he was good to his family and some of harlem. He was also directly responsible for the death of hundreds of "junkies".he had a direct hand in murdering many of his fellow man. A snitch? no he wasnt a snitch, he did help convict much of the corrupt new york drug unit and that is respectable. Not that he was an f'ing "gangster". Not that he was an f'ing murderer. The whole notion that people on here would defend a murderer/druglord/"gangster" criminal is completely insane. Lucas jr respects his father for the family man he was. Im sure he does not have the same joy over the fact that he was a horrible human being in many aspects of his "proffesional" life. Or the fact that he had to grow up mostly without a father. You people really have to get a grip on reality.

Gangster gangster !!! your dad is a true og!

Frank lucas is the real american gangster i respect jay-z but he didnt have to say that frank was snitchin. But really man frank lucas jr need 2 keep it real cause if he was like his daddy he would do the same thing but different get different connects