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The Lox and P. Diddy Fight Over Publishing

Friday, November 18, 2005
By: Michael Ivey


jay-zThursday Bad Boy Records CEO and hip hop mogul P. Diddy appeared on New York’s Hot 97 responding to allegations that he’s stealing from his former artists, The Lox. Wednesday Jadakiss and Styles P reiterated that they won’t record with Interscope Records because Diddy allegedly owns fifty percent of their publishing. Jadakiss said “it’s worth dying over, it’s worth killing over.” He took responsibility for signing away on the deal ten years ago, but says it’s time to re-negotiate and Diddy refuses. “He’s so much of a gangsta with the paper work that he’ll tell you one thing, then tell his lawyer or somebody that represents him something else.” Diddy then called in live to refute their accusations and the three argued back and forth, the Lox calling him a coward and thief. Diddy said he’ll be at the office if the group wants to set up a meeting. Styles and Kiss dismissed that offer saying there’s no way it can be solved without “middle men” and Diddy knows it.

Thursday Diddy joined Angie Martinez to break down the details of his publishing deal with The Lox. They initially signed with Bad Boy for six albums, then demanded their release, which cost Interscope CEO Jimmy Iovine $3 million. Diddy claims their current grievance is a continuation of the prior situation saying it’s, “let the Lox go part two. Let’s not sugar coat it, they retired last week. This works for them. I can’t knock they hustle, but this works for them.” Converse to Styles’ claim that they’ve gone through ten years and seven lawyers trying to get a new publishing deal, Diddy says it’s a publicity stunt fueled by a recent 50 Cent jab. “There was a mixtape that was out. They got other beef. On the end of that mixtape it was said [by 50 Cent], “yo Diddy, let me buy the publishing.”” Jadakiss rebutted this Wednesday, saying the 50 Cent situation is a non violent business opportunity, but Diddy’s ownership affects their livelihood.

Diddy says the truth is he owns twenty percent of their publishing and has only received $400,000 to the Lox’s $1.5 million, from their post Bad Boy releases. Angie Martinez countered Diddy’s contracts and canceled checks with a summary supplied by Lox representatives, which reportedly says Diddy has a “worldwide” fifty percent interest in their recordings. Diddy was indignant over being labeled a thief and maintains it’s eighty/twenty. The Lox also claim it’s a lifetime deal and Diddy responded with “to be honest this is so embarrassing for them and for me to be saying it like this: they just don’t know the business. That’s not the truth.” He added, “we have them for five more options.” The Lox say those are Bad Boy options and since they’re no longer Bad Boy artists Diddy is holding on for pure greed.

Even though The Lox and Sean “Diddy” Combs seemingly made peace after performing at the Jay-Z and Nas performance truce last month, the former Bad Boy rappers’ long-running complaints against the mogul have re-surfaced.

On Angie Martinez’s Hot 97 radio show, The Lox members Jadakiss and Styles P made a passionate, aggressive plea for their publishing and autonomy from Combs, who they claim owns half of their collective publishing.

“Imagine working for years working for years, hard work and somebody that has nothing to do with that is getting the bulk of it. You’d be totally, utterly frustrated. And, you tryin’ to get around it for years and you call about it with lawyers, but people are too powerful,” said Style P, alluding to Combs’ influence.

The Lox released their debut, Money, Power, Respect, in 1998, but departed Combs’ Bad Boy Records after orchestrating the legendary “Free The Lox” campaign. Styles, Jadakis and Sheek Louch, who was absent at the New York radio station, then joined the Ruff Ryders under the Interscope banner. The group recently vowed that they would no longer record for their label, Interscope Records, due to issues with company brass and Curtis “50 Cent” Jackson’s apparent power with the company.

“This ain’t no varmint talk – this is real life,” said Jadakiss. Eventually, Sean “Diddy” Combs called from his Manhattan office to confront The Lox and counter their claims.
“If somebody is getting in the way of you expressing yourself, you can come get at me directly,” said Diddy from the phone. “We’re businessmen. We’re all mature adults here. Y’all sit on this interview and talk as long as you want to talk or you can take the invitation I extended before. Its not even getting there -You getting on the radio, whatever tactic – I’m not your enemy. Don’t sit here and portray that Puff took something from y’all.”

Immediately, Jadakiss retorted, “Well, what is it then? What do you call it? We can’t handle it any other way dealing with lawyers and you know that. So don’t get on the radio and act like a tough guy.”
The conversation degenerated to the point where none of the parties statements were nearly incomprehensible.

“I’m a grown a** man,” said Diddy.

“You a coward,” Jadakiss responded.

“You a thief,” followed Styles.

A seemingly frustrated Diddy eventually hung up the phone as The Lox continued to vent their grievances to Martinez and the listening “We want our publishing, dog, and we got a right to that. Its been years now,” Styles P shrieked. “We been through seven lawyers and all kinds of things.”

Eventually, Mase and Lil’ Cease also joined into the fray and Biggie’s publishing became topical as well as Shyne’s jail term. After the screaming and bickering died down, Jadakiss and Styles said they would be willing to speak to Combs if they could initially avoid middlemen and council.

“At the least we want to sit down and see what we can work out without running each other in circles and telling you to call somebody and they you telling them you don’t know nothing about it,” Kiss said.


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It definitely seems as though its better for puff to let them go with no strings attached, because image in this game is apart of the business too. I do kind of think it all started because of 50's lyrics; but if they want out of their initial deal with puff, for business sakes, puff should let them go. Mainly because he already has a bad name when it comes to paying & monopolizing the total financial situation surrounding his artists. If i was puff, for now on, i would distance myself from the hip-hop scene and allow the tenants of his business to handle such things. His hands on tactics with the artists is giving him a bad name; he should focus his entrepreneur ideas elsewhere and effect the hip-hop community in that regard...
Posted by evenwhenIlie
I agree if puff was smart he would try to restore his image then he could sign more artists to bad boy. Either that or retire he has the money.
Posted by England lad
I already knew a situation like this was going to brew when they had that free the lox campaign. This is such a ridiculous story because it shows how some of these artists out here don't know anything about the business side of things and they get screwed majorly! see me personally i'm going thru business school and pre-law so that when i do enter the business i'l l be equiped with a brain to deal with it. And if you want to be realisitic i'm not feeling d-block anymore. They are great spitters but not very smart business men. Look, these guys talk about all the ice they rockin, not just them, other guys too, and they can't even buy their own publishing company so they don't have to worry about a middleman. People always screaming "bring back hip-hop", but we can take it to a new level with a new generation of people who get it done, beyond rocking a mic. It is time!!!
Posted by DocV
They F*ck up. The contract is sign.
Posted by lamont50
I like the lox, but they grown as men folk, the signed the dotted line now deal with it, sh*t just like t.o. He signed it he had to deal with, puff a smart as man, but its dirty but its life
Posted by southernboi74
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Posted by bensonite
Wow, puffy's a thief???? how shocking!!!!!!!!
Posted by prettylou
Yo if the lox is gettin robbed by diddy then thats to bad. If they so gangsta why they gettin robbed. Why they dont handle it. If diddy is robbin them than hes mo gangsta and they lox need to quit whinin!!!
Posted by townnuts
You play to win the game! but if you don't know the instructions you can't play the game and guess what the lox got played. It is what it is the music bussiness!
Posted by DOLLAZ
Before any paper work is sign before the conversations began to damp the room all the figuration should be known. Who's getting what percentage and if it is agreed upon. It's evident in the viewing of the paper work someone on the lox side of the ball failed. With that said they still one of my favorite rap groups of all time.
Posted by Black Congress
Lox F*cked by lettin a Bia'ch like diddy hustle dem. Charge it 2 da game.
Posted by naptown3176
Its there fault they got got haha who in there right mind would sign a contract like that 6 albums come on most artist sign them for 2 or 3 albums. Then they wanted to leave. First off they was hot when they was w/puff beside the shiney suits but they was still good as a group. I think its all on them but look they left puff hanging and he sh*ting on them. Live up to your word, wat goes around comes around
Posted by King of Brooklyn
Defending d-block. 1. Jadakiss put it best 2 young kids who nevah had nothing had the chance to sign to a label and make money an opportunity that anyone here who made a post would take in that position and many artists have 2. There seems to be some truth in bad boy and puff losing artists i.e. Rumors about big wanting to leave black rob in jail for theft y u need to steal when u got a cd out? it seems that puff has some problems. 3. He still owns biggs publishing mrs. Amuru shakur owns all her sons publishing so do other artists who've pasted away even though ms. Wallace said she's "comfortbale" i still dont think its right for puff to hold biggs publishing she should be more than comfortable. Docv.
Posted by gothamfam
Doc v yes your right artists don’t know the business side that’s my number 1. Argument unlike you or me a lot of people don’t have opportunities there are school books that call russia the ussr there are high schools with 64 people in a classroom santa ana california. The world is messed up these are the people who live on the streets who know the streets like the lox who know they messed up they never said they did but no one should work as hard as the lox for 10 years and have only 1.5 (which is 150 thousand per year for 3 dudes that’s 50) to show. Your argument is like saying this girl is drunk she cant think so rape her. You gotta teach people the ropes so they can be successful when angie asks puff would he take that deal he said i would change it asap he never thought em that the problem is can they get a piece of the cake too i think they should. While you go to law school and get equipeed with a brain (btw is offenseive since u degrade people who couldn’t afford or never had the opportunity to go to law skewl/business skewl as brainless) you say that you don’t feel dblock anymore but you never felt dblock which is highlighted by the statement “these guys talking bout all the ice they rocking” they don’t talk about rockin ice they talk about the streets u uppity phonie. Lamont 50 and southernboi74 answered above. Plus. 4. The point is not wheter or not they signed a F*cked up contract we all agree on that the lox agree on that. The question is what should they do about it? deal with it 1.
Posted by gothamfam
Deal with it 1.5 million over 10 years. Lets be real you can work at a grocery store and make close to that in 10 years. It’s a question of ethics and morals and principle is it morally right for a multimillionary to keep getting fat while the lox starving that’s like….. Aite check this out 37ooo people die of starvation every day and 3 people are richer than 44 country that sh*t aint right sayin its dirty but its life don’t cut it and what point do we say no more dirty sh*t. That’s jus a part of what our culture ahs become passive if mlk and malcom x gotta shout out huey p. Thought us anything that no contract, constitution is legal when its unjust and saying its dirty don’t cut it changing it does and the lox is right when they say the power is in the people so they talk to the people sh*t can be changed and instead of writing thoughts hear write some sh*t to bad body if any of ya’ll really do feel the lox. Lets not adopt to a system we know to be foul that’s like being satisfied with jim crow don’t be a house nig. Townnuts. You’re the biggest idiot on here everybody from d-block on probation and the fact u thik diddy against proves ur stupidity diddy couldn’t live or survived where they lived, live and survived. U acting like diddy sticked em up these are contracts and legal issues.
Posted by gothamfam
Dollaz. Answered above. Black congress answere by number 1. Its like buyin a car u never had a car u go to the dealership they say you gotta pay this much a month u so happy u getting a car u aint even thinking bout it you don’t even know wat they talking about they say u need to get a lojack some insurance some car maintainance thing you not even thinking bout this u jus wanna role and not only that the dude sellin u the cars yo man/woman you like thanks fo hookin it up it aint till u start missing the rent the fridge kinda empty that u realize man i been F*cked they aint gonna take back the car but that’s kinda the situation they in they wanna return the car and they should get an option. I should also mention here that they aint asking to scartch the whole thing but to adjust the numbers to something more bearable. Naptown. Townnuts response applies to u too. King of brooklyn. Nothing new u aint the king a brooklyn shut that sh*t down. Jus another hater.
Posted by gothamfam
This situation all boils down to education and ethics. 1. Education. If you are a rapper off the streets and are offered a contract of any kind, you got to take off your "hip hop" hat for a moment and put your "business" hat on. If you sign a contract, and no-one forced you to, then it is 100% your responsibility of how much you receive and how long the contract is for. (negotiate until you understand the contract and you are 100% satisfied. The contract is about you) 2. Ethics. On the ethics side, a label, publishing or merchandise company may be exposed for the deal they put forward whether fair or not. If the deal was fair, it attracts more artists to approach the company. If it was unfair and it is exposed, new artists may avoid them in the future unless they sort out the situation. (life and business is all about having a good name) i think i have argued both cases fairly. You decide who is right in this situation..... Peace dr who
Posted by drwho
Its strictly business, i am sorry.
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Posted by "prince"bet a kob
Thas y jada and 50 were beefin because of puff owning 50% of interscope. And 50 being the lead act on interscope jada was smart let me get at puff anotha way 2 discredit 50 and then puff money might come back short so now kiss with defjam is puff 50 jay shady dre all eatin from the plate
Posted by What it is
Diddy is a shark we all know this.he needs to let them go. For the simple fact that he was trying to change the lox into him.with the shiney suits and all that.he could of made more money off of them if he let them be themselves.if he would have let them keep there image and thugness.instead of trying to change them into "puffy mase " they all could have been breaking big bread.but no! as we all know diddy wants to make his acts into puppets.if he would have poured his money into the lox thug image he would have had the whole thug market conered.but that's the problem with some smart people.there so smart there dumb.and diddy is one of them.now he can't find a real artist to save his life.not since biggie has he had a "real" chart topper.so he's suffering when it comes to that.it may not since he still has multi mills.but i know that it'z eating him up that.he can't recapture the charts with bad boy.
Posted by T.EATIN
I just listened to this sh*t and puff daddy/ sean john/ p diddy/ diddy is a straight up Bia'ch. In the interview, d-block told diddy's Bia'ch ass to take out the "list" of people who had F*cked up careers bc of him. Puff daddy has the nerve to say that one of his mtb4 guys has the "Bia'chassness" syndrome but in reality, he would never ever step to d-block or any other person that had something to say. I don't like theives and liars. Diddy is one of them.
Posted by No bitchassness
Hey Bia'chassness u re a Bia'ch n aswell a F*ck*ng illiterate! wat do u knw about buziness? maturity? and self compusor? i guess nothing... Dats exactly wat diddy displayed. Dblock comin 2 air whilling out how they gona kill somebody its simple if u wanna kill jus do it, and not come out talkin bullsh*t and hoping 4 peoples simpathy! i love the lox boiz but 4 now i can say them all Bia'ch ass n*ggas without brainz n F*ck*ng hungry raper like ma mehn 2pac will call it. Props 2 diddy 4 been a good business mahn we would all do the same if we wher in his shoes!! life is never a fair game. So Bia'chassness as u call ur self get urself better articulated and stop Bia'ching around. 1lurv yall.
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